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Originally posted by MBryer07
Actually seems to me from Sunshines original post the question is why when CPL does it do they get crucified while when others do it nothing happens.

Truth be told its becuase the "CPL" Posters act like ass hats

And the other people do get bitched at but they don't pull the same crap so it goes away much quicker.

I think that was more of an aside (and a tool to spark debate). I think the core issue he's discussing is huge stats being out of control, and being used as a relevant tiebreaker.

Originally posted by Gart888
So the game should be about who builds the best dots, not which dotball teams plays the best?

Hell, we don't even need a sim engine for that! I think you could be saving Bort a lot of headaches with this idea.

To the suggestions forum!

Best team would likely have many of the best dots to boot. Amazing how that's normally how it works. Though the best team with the best dots could also be the best exploiters amirite

Originally posted by MBryer07
And the game has been getting worse and worse since season 1 becuase the powers that be refuse to fix the issue.

Oh, I see. You're trolling.

Pretty good troll tbqh. I thought he was being cereal for a couple pages.

No I really think the issue seems to be the fact more time is put into painting the wall then fixing the gigantic hole in the wall. The game is pretty and all shiny while the biggest issue to fair play and I don't know the best teams actually doing the best remains untouched.

How is that trolling.

Stat Padding and all that is just a result of the gaping hole in the system. If you want to fix the issue fix the core problem don't put a fresh layer of paint over the result.

Originally posted by MBryer07
No I really think the issue seems to be the fact more time is put into painting the wall then fixing the gigantic hole in the wall. The game is pretty and all shiny while the biggest issue to fair play and I don't know the best teams actually doing the best remains untouched.

How is that trolling.

Stat Padding and all that is just a result of the gaping hole in the system. If you want to fix the issue fix the core problem don't put a fresh layer of paint over the result.

So, you agree that what Haliblack did was for the good of the game then? I mean, it got Bort to get down on fixing the problem of stat-padding, didn't it?

It got bort to put a band aid on the problem. Its a useless gesture that further complicates the game and leaves the cause of the problem totally untouched. Hali did what they did. It resulted in attention. It didn't and won't fix shit.

Disrespectful actions aren't the only way to garner attention. But seeing as bort isn't going to take the time to fix the cause I suppose the band aid is the only course of action.

With that said It'd be nice to not have that issue ever at this level. But I don't ever see a season being 100% gut free even in the world league.

pics or it never happened

Originally posted by sunshineduck
Originally posted by MBryer07

No I really think the issue seems to be the fact more time is put into painting the wall then fixing the gigantic hole in the wall. The game is pretty and all shiny while the biggest issue to fair play and I don't know the best teams actually doing the best remains untouched.

How is that trolling.

Stat Padding and all that is just a result of the gaping hole in the system. If you want to fix the issue fix the core problem don't put a fresh layer of paint over the result.

So, you agree that what Haliblack did was for the good of the game then? I mean, it got Bort to get down on fixing the problem of stat-padding, didn't it?



The relevant question in my mind (from a Kantian perspective) is whether or not Gart *intended* to be doing something good for the game, or whether he was out for lulz. I think it is more the latter, but only Gart can say for certain.


There is a difference between being served up a dollop of good fortune by the whimsical failings of another team and *manufacturing* that fortune by setting their AI.


Regardless, this would be a good opportunity to fix the underlying issue...though I don't see many ways to do it. Perhaps a team that guts should have all of their games removed from the standings, except the first interconference week's games.



edit: to be perfectly clear, I am of the opinion that what Hali did was a little sleazy but not illegal, nor punishable. The precedent for this sort of thing has been to turn a blind eye.

Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by MBryer07

If only you were bort you'd have the power as just one person. To bad your more of the lets exploit it to cause an uproar and get it attention type. Though you are very effective at what you do.

Truth. CPL is batting .1000 on getting Bort to fix major loopholes.

Ouch, that's not good.

I think that the ability to be able to turn down your invitation to the WL was intended to be a good enough precaution to keep mid-season gutters out, but it happens I suppose :\

Originally posted by tautology



Regardless, this would be a good opportunity to fix the underlying issue...though I don't see many ways to do it. Perhaps a team that guts should have all of their games removed from the standings, except the first interconference week's games.





or somehow up the cruise control as the lead increases so the game is more like 42-0 instead of 300-0

The way most leagues in the real world keep teams from pulling out mid season is a large fine. If someone were losing a crap load of Flex to gut mid season it may slow people down a bit.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by r87

Originally posted by MBryer07


If only you were bort you'd have the power as just one person. To bad your more of the lets exploit it to cause an uproar and get it attention type. Though you are very effective at what you do.

Truth. CPL is batting .1000 on getting Bort to fix major loopholes.

Ouch, that's not good.

Decimal lesson for r87:
.1000 = 1/10
1.000 = 1/1
I am guessing you were trying to say batting 1000(Baseball reference) which is 1.000, batting .1000 is batting 100 in Baseball(which is very bad...below the Mendoza line).

Originally posted by sunshineduck
Hypothetical situation is hypothetical, of course, but it could happen.

Let's take a look at the Zeta conference standings, shall we?

1. Three Kingdom Warriors (14-1)
2. Bonn Dynamo (12-3)
3. New Jersey Blaze (11-4)
4. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons (11-4)
5. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors (11-4)
6. Santiago Benitos (10-5)
Everyone else

Note the three bolded teams. Now, in this hypothetical situation, let's say that they all win their last game and end up 12-4, shall we? So, now we determine playoff seedings. Head-to-head, each of these teams beat one of the others and lost one of the others, so it's a rock-paper-scissors tie, meaning that the new tiebreaker is points scored. I think you see where this is going, right?

Rankings by points scored through week 15:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 618
2. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 544
3. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 469

Looks legit, right? Only if you look at their games played, it's not. Not even close, in fact. MPHD had the pleasure of playing the Tasmania Tigers after they gutted, which meant that they threw up a whopping 177 points. HHW wasn't so lucky, they played Tasmania pre-gut and only managed to score 30. Had HHW played Tasmania post-gut, I'm fairly sure that they would have thrown up more than 30 points.

Take away the Tasmania game stats and you have the following rankings:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 548
2. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 439
3. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 367

That, my friends, equates to Tasmania gutting costing HHW a potential home game in the first round. No matter how badly HHW might beat Manitoba, they aren't going to make up a 75-point deficit.

So the question I have to pose to you all is this: should Tasmania be reprimanded in this hypothetical situation for gutting mid-season and directly affecting the playoff seeding?

What does this have to do with collusion? Did any of these teams get together with Tasmania and say, "gut after you play suchandsuch?"

Two totally different examples. And it's a great example of how the collusion that went on last year in the final game shouldn't have been tolerated last season between Haliberries and whoever they played so they could determine the playoff seedings/mess with the awards leaders.