Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Pagypie
well to be frank your world league experience is pretty meaningless judging from your performance.

in fact your performance there should be enough to scare anyone away from taking your advice.



Yes, playing on one of the best teams in the game with some of the best talent evaluators in the game means my build sucks. Only giving up 2 tds in two seasons of USAPL play and almost one full season of WL play is terrible. Winning two USAPL West trophies and currently sitting in second in WL Zeta just plain sucks.

Of course you have a level 43 cb playing on a 3-12 AA team with no trophies. You must know what you're talking about.

no you see the difference between us is that I know I don't know anything.

you actually think you do know anything about wl builds when you clearly don't.

your contribution to that team is pretty much as a waterboy. and personally, i wouldn't take advice from a waterboy unless it was about... well water. when i talked to a couple guys that have multiple wl cbs that actually play they laughed at your "minimum suggestion".

and if i didn't know any better, you talking about your pro league performance when we're talking about a different league probably means that you are actually upset about being called on your ignorance.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
There are some problems with making interceptions and playing on aggressive while having high jumping, though.

what problems?

Originally posted by Pagypie
no you see the difference between us is that I know I don't know anything.

you actually think you do know anything about wl builds when you clearly don't.

your contribution to that team is pretty much as a waterboy. and personally, i wouldn't take advice from a waterboy unless it was about... well water. when i talked to a couple guys that have multiple wl cbs that actually play they laughed at your "minimum suggestion".

and if i didn't know any better, you talking about your pro league performance when we're talking about a different league probably means that you are actually upset about being called on your ignorance.

pwned

Originally posted by Pagypie
no you see the difference between us is that I know I don't know anything.

you actually think you do know anything about wl builds when you clearly don't.

your contribution to that team is pretty much as a waterboy. and personally, i wouldn't take advice from a waterboy unless it was about... well water. when i talked to a couple guys that have multiple wl cbs that actually play they laughed at your "minimum suggestion".

and if i didn't know any better, you talking about your pro league performance when we're talking about a different league probably means that you are actually upset about being called on your ignorance.

me and longhorns dont agree on everything, but im gonna stick up for him here. You argue that his CBs dont play in WL... theyre just on the team. too bad Yesman is back up CB1 and gets 34 plays a game... which is not overly shabby. now, you may also look at his stat line, but if you have any knowledge of high leagues, pretty much every other play is a screen. pretty hard to get deflections on those. and as he said, giving up 2 TDs in 2 seasons of USPL is impressive to say the least. and his team, the emmaus flying hornets (i dont know if he remembers but he actually tried to recruit me once ), used to house dh12's CB, Asante Samuel, who is considered to be one of the better, if not one of the best, CBs in the game. longhorns has a great CB and has worked with other great CB builders, and i think he knows a thing or two on how to properly build them.

and as fpr the other WL cotners you talked to... are they on as good a team as monmouth? probably not... since anyone you talked to im guessing is a speed whore and will get crushed on the screens without agility to break the block and stop the WR for a short gain.

and as for my credentials... my lvl 56 is currently the leader in all of GLB for INTs. yeah he may play a lesser league, but 98 is impressive no matter what leagues you've played in (most of which were legit btw... including season 6.)

Originally posted by Pagypie
no you see the difference between us is that I know I don't know anything.

you actually think you do know anything about wl builds when you clearly don't.

your contribution to that team is pretty much as a waterboy. and personally, i wouldn't take advice from a waterboy unless it was about... well water. when i talked to a couple guys that have multiple wl cbs that actually play they laughed at your "minimum suggestion".

and if i didn't know any better, you talking about your pro league performance when we're talking about a different league probably means that you are actually upset about being called on your ignorance.

If you knew anything about this game, you'd realize how stupid you look for typing that.

First, I am associated with 3 WL teams, including the second place team in both divisions. I can see their builds and know what works for them. I also run an incredibly popular private cb forum that is frequented by some of the best cb builders in the WL. I'm also friends with robponce, dh12, saris, and higgenbottom, four of the most well-respected cb builders in the game. I talk builds with them on a regular basis and know A.L. and Asante's builds.

Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "actually play." On the good WL teams, most cbs get between 20-40 plays per competitive game. Usually it is closer to 30. It's part of the game plan that the top teams use. By running enough cbs that each gets around 30 plays per game, it keeps them fresh and their morale high. We can chalk this one up to your ignorance of what it is like to play in a real league.

Third, I said that Yes Man has given up 2 TDs in two seasons of USAPL play and almost one full season of WL play. Learn to read. Not to mention the fact that USAPL Season 10 > WL Season 11. Besides the addition of Bonn, this season has been a hell of a lot easier for MEM than last season was.

Fourth, I said that the build I posted was the minimum for being a serviceable corner in the WL. I didn't say that it would make you a star or even all that great. Both of the Yes Men have builds well beyond what I posted, but many teams have 4th or 5th cbs with builds similar or not as good as that. This thread was for people wanting to know what it takes to get into the WL. That build can get them there. Learn to fucking read, and don't say anything until you do.

I gotta give my endorsement for having tons of vision on top tier corners. 70 & Football Genius isn't enough to go into 24/7 rape mode with Ball Hawk. I'd aim for 80ish, and you can still have low 80s agility, mid 90s speed, a ton of jumping (70ish), a ton of super vision (9+) and shutdown coverage (11+).

Not saying this is the ideal CB build but it's p much what my level 57 has and I'm headed to MEM next season for validation (or massive fail).

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
I gotta give my endorsement for having tons of vision on top tier corners. 70 & Football Genius isn't enough to go into 24/7 rape mode with Ball Hawk. I'd aim for 80ish, and you can still have low 80s agility, mid 90s speed, a ton of jumping (70ish), a ton of super vision (9+) and shutdown coverage (11+).

Not saying this is the ideal CB build but it's p much what my level 57 has and I'm headed to MEM next season for validation (or massive fail).

Welcome to the team.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
If you knew anything about this game, you'd realize how stupid you look for typing that.

First, I am associated with 3 WL teams, including the second place team in both divisions. I can see their builds and know what works for them. I also run an incredibly popular private cb forum that is frequented by some of the best cb builders in the WL. I'm also friends with robponce, dh12, saris, and higgenbottom, four of the most well-respected cb builders in the game. I talk builds with them on a regular basis and know A.L. and Asante's builds.

Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "actually play." On the good WL teams, most cbs get between 20-40 plays per competitive game. Usually it is closer to 30. It's part of the game plan that the top teams use. By running enough cbs that each gets around 30 plays per game, it keeps them fresh and their morale high. We can chalk this one up to your ignorance of what it is like to play in a real league.

Third, I said that Yes Man has given up 2 TDs in two seasons of USAPL play and almost one full season of WL play. Learn to read. Not to mention the fact that USAPL Season 10 > WL Season 11. Besides the addition of Bonn, this season has been a hell of a lot easier for MEM than last season was.

Fourth, I said that the build I posted was the minimum for being a serviceable corner in the WL. I didn't say that it would make you a star or even all that great. Both of the Yes Men have builds well beyond what I posted, but many teams have 4th or 5th cbs with builds similar or not as good as that. This thread was for people wanting to know what it takes to get into the WL. That build can get them there. Learn to fucking read, and don't say anything until you do.

tldr

let me guess "no really im awesome at this game despite not having builds good enough to actually play and despite my players not even playing i know everything about the world league including what the bench feels like, how big the bench is and what the bench smells like"

Originally posted by Pagypie
tldr

let me guess "no really im awesome at this game despite not having builds good enough to actually play and despite my players not even playing i know everything about the world league including what the bench feels like, how big the bench is and what the bench smells like"



Let me break it down for you. You're stupid, and your previous two posts proved it. Everyone reading this thread knows you're stupid, I know you're stupid, and you know you're stupid. Hiding from that fact won't change anything.

Originally posted by Pagypie
tldr

let me guess "no really im awesome at this game despite not having builds good enough to actually play and despite my players not even playing i know everything about the world league including what the bench feels like, how big the bench is and what the bench smells like"



too bad his CB gets just as much playtime as the starting CB2. your entire argument just gets shattered right there. pwnt, head shot, pk cry, uninstall counsel.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Let me break it down for you. You're stupid, and your previous two posts proved it. Everyone reading this thread knows you're stupid, I know you're stupid, and you know you're stupid. Hiding from that fact won't change anything.Have any of your posts not proven that all you know is how to make CBs that can't play well or play at all at the world level? You act as if you have some sor tof unique veiw on what makes a good cb build when in fact your first post in this thread proves you don't. Hell that "minimum build" isn't good enough for pro.

Have any of your posts proven that you're nothing more than a foaming kid that takes this html sim way too seriously and therefore unable to accept the truth regarding your bench sitting expertise? lol dude just relax, facts are facts. Actually don't relax we're having a great time reading your rage replies.Originally posted by Worker 3
too bad his CB gets just as much playtime as the starting CB2. your entire argument just gets shattered right there. pwnt, head shot, pk cry, uninstall counsel.are you one of his bench buddies or just some sort of suckup? I'm not talking to you but when I do, you will be able to tell from my use of your name.... like this time. ^ it was in the quote fyi.

Are you seriously this dense?

Here it is, nice and easy for you:

1. You claim that my cbs sit the bench in WL
2. They get about 25-35 player per game
3. On good WL teams, all of the cbs get about 25-35 plays per game
4. Therefore, you are wrong

Is that tl;dr, or are you just going to go bury your head in the sand again?

I think continuing the attack serves no purpose to help those that want to get their ticket to the WL.

Pagypie, if you really think you know what you are talking about, please come in with something to prove your point other than just saying that Longhorn was "wrong". And please quote those WL corner builders (or at least give us names) that laughed at Longhorn's min build plan (or just the names of the agents if it is via PM), as your experience is blank at the higher leagues.

I would also like to hear who these CB builders are who supposedly laughed at that build plan.

Not saying I totally agree with everything in Longhorn's plan, but I'm not sure how exactly you would build a radically different CB.

Most of the successful Pro/WL corners I see seem to have around 1/1 speed/agility (or close) with high vision, SV, and SDC. After that, there are differences, but I'm curious as to who disagrees that you need 90+ speed and agility, 70+ vision and high SV and SDC at a minimum to be effective.