Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Clutch24
Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season.
And why would you think I (or others for that matter) have not noticed that fact and still regarded him All Star worthy for what he is doing at that position? You guys seems to know awfully well what went on in everyones head, what are you in real live, a shrink? And what is it going to be next year, full disclosure of the thought process that leads to our nominations? To be honest guys like Marion might make me consider not to spend any effort on stuff like this any more in the future as all it will lead to is false accusations and bad blood. Maybe next season I'll just take 5 minutes to cut and paste the top of the stats page and be done with it, after all that is what I am alledgedly doing in you guys opinion anyway, right?

Originally posted by Clutch24

I personally put alot of time into the voting and did research on positions that had a group of players who could be considered. The fact that Stickei almost got a unaminous vote with the exception of Helluin (obviously) and myself proves Marion's point to be correct at least for the WR position. Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season. As I said before, Stickei is a great player but he was slot receiver. Helluin deserves credit for playing him that way, it has worked really well however how can we honor a player as an all-star when he was going against weak competition every time. However he was the leading receiver for Alpha. Hmmmmmm do you think people might have just looked at the numbers there???

So because his coach is smart enough to play him in the slot means that he isn't worthy of the All Star team? How about the other receivers in the line up for the Vikings? Gram put up almost the same numbers as Stickei, hell we shouldn't allow ANY Vikings WR's because their numbers are so skewed with McMahon passing to them, right?

Few teams have had the foresight to place a decent CB to counter Stickei(note: you didn't). But even if they had, I'm confident that Stickei's numbers would still be respectable. Either way, he's more than earned that position on the All Star Team.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Clutch24

Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season.
And why would you think I (or others for that matter) have not noticed that fact and still regarded him All Star worthy for what he is doing at that position? You guys seems to know awfully well what went on in everyones head, what are you in real live, a shrink?



There is no need to be so defensive, I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt as to not knowing he was third string because as an owner you should realize that the third string receiver gets the most passes thrown to him and is going against a far weaker corner. There is no reason to go cry in the corner it was just my opinion from reading your conversation with Marion, who by the way was just voicing an opinion he had.

Originally posted by Clutch24
There is no need to be so defensive, I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt as to not knowing he was third string because as an owner you should realize that the third string receiver gets the most passes thrown to him and is going against a far weaker corner. There is no reason to go cry in the corner it was just my opinion from reading your conversation with Marion, who by the way was just voicing an opinion he had.
Yeah, he was basically voicing the opinion that most owners who took part in the voting are a bunch of idiots who did nothing more than look at the top of the leaderboards and did not think any further. But hey, no need to get defensive about having your intelligence or the time devoted to the process insulted, right?

Originally posted by helluin
Originally posted by Clutch24


I personally put alot of time into the voting and did research on positions that had a group of players who could be considered. The fact that Stickei almost got a unaminous vote with the exception of Helluin (obviously) and myself proves Marion's point to be correct at least for the WR position. Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season. As I said before, Stickei is a great player but he was slot receiver. Helluin deserves credit for playing him that way, it has worked really well however how can we honor a player as an all-star when he was going against weak competition every time. However he was the leading receiver for Alpha. Hmmmmmm do you think people might have just looked at the numbers there???

So because his coach is smart enough to play him in the slot means that he isn't worthy of the All Star team? How about the other receivers in the line up for the Vikings? Gram put up almost the same numbers as Stickei, hell we shouldn't allow ANY Vikings WR's because their numbers are so skewed with McMahon passing to them, right?

Few teams have had the foresight to place a decent CB to counter Stickei(note: you didn't). But even if they had, I'm confident that Stickei's numbers would still be respectable. Either way, he's more than earned that position on the All Star Team.



I disagree. I understand I may be the only person who does but I am man enough to defend my comment. In my opinion he does not deserve to be an all-star, not a chance. Was Wes Welker an all-star last year. He led the league in receptions, he was 11th in the NFL in yards, was he even considered for the all-star team??? You made the decision to play your strongest receiver at third string so he could go against the softer corner, I think it was very smart strategy, we didn't change our corners because how do I know you are not going to move him back to #1 right before the game if you see me alter my defense. It was very effective strategy by you to help the team win but I don't feel a receiver that went put big numbers against 3rd string corners is an all-star.

Originally posted by Clutch24

I disagree. I understand I may be the only person who does but I am man enough to defend my comment. In my opinion he does not deserve to be an all-star, not a chance. Was Wes Welker an all-star last year. He led the league in receptions, he was 11th in the NFL in yards, was he even considered for the all-star team??? You made the decision to play your strongest receiver at third string so he could go against the softer corner, I think it was very smart strategy, we didn't change our corners because how do I know you are not going to move him back to #1 right before the game if you see me alter my defense. It was very effective strategy by you to help the team win but I don't feel a receiver that went put big numbers against 3rd string corners is an all-star.


Pretty sure Stickei was #2 WR for the first 4/5 games, he was bumped down to #3 after these games as both other WRs were higher level at the time due to the fact I had saved Stickei's boosts for the end of the season.

Anyway I respect your opinion and actually agree with you that voting shouldn't just be based off the stat that the tables are sorted to by default.

Why Beback by the way? I agree with Terrel but would of went with either Jason Gram or Max Lamenace as second choice. (Neither who received any votes strangely enough.)

Only 2 WR made me look to change my gameplan specifically to account for them.

I voted for them both for that reason.

Same reason I voted for Knights players.

Also the main reason I voted for the Kicker, because his range and accuracy made me change tactics to account for him.

All of whom had the season stats to back it up at the end of the season.

And I take it nobody else noticed that one Monarchs player got a vote despite being the third choice FS for about 14 games this season?

Originally posted by Clutch24
Originally posted by helluin

Originally posted by Clutch24



I personally put alot of time into the voting and did research on positions that had a group of players who could be considered. The fact that Stickei almost got a unaminous vote with the exception of Helluin (obviously) and myself proves Marion's point to be correct at least for the WR position. Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season. As I said before, Stickei is a great player but he was slot receiver. Helluin deserves credit for playing him that way, it has worked really well however how can we honor a player as an all-star when he was going against weak competition every time. However he was the leading receiver for Alpha. Hmmmmmm do you think people might have just looked at the numbers there???

So because his coach is smart enough to play him in the slot means that he isn't worthy of the All Star team? How about the other receivers in the line up for the Vikings? Gram put up almost the same numbers as Stickei, hell we shouldn't allow ANY Vikings WR's because their numbers are so skewed with McMahon passing to them, right?

Few teams have had the foresight to place a decent CB to counter Stickei(note: you didn't). But even if they had, I'm confident that Stickei's numbers would still be respectable. Either way, he's more than earned that position on the All Star Team.



I disagree. I understand I may be the only person who does but I am man enough to defend my comment. In my opinion he does not deserve to be an all-star, not a chance. Was Wes Welker an all-star last year. He led the league in receptions, he was 11th in the NFL in yards, was he even considered for the all-star team??? You made the decision to play your strongest receiver at third string so he could go against the softer corner, I think it was very smart strategy, we didn't change our corners because how do I know you are not going to move him back to #1 right before the game if you see me alter my defense. It was very effective strategy by you to help the team win but I don't feel a receiver that went put big numbers against 3rd string corners is an all-star.


So......when does being slot reciever = 3rd string? Slot recievers lining up against LB's or nickle backs is defenses decision. Nickle back = first sting nickle back, not 3rd string corner.

Come on Beaver, have you played football before? Everybody is aware of my all-star gripes which I have gotten over now especially because of Pie Pork's eplanation which made sense, time and a little bit of a realization that I was more pissed about my player Raekwon being withheld from the team for a poor reasoning from "some" owners then I was about Stickei, but come on man that is a losers attitude, first string nickel back is not a position on any football team. Nickel back is third string corner!!! The reason the player is called a nickel back is because he comes in on the nickel package when the other team brings out extra WR's, is there a first string dime back also??

Not sure why you're still arguing this, but since everyone's been polite and side stepping the issue...here's something to consider.

The only reason Raekwon Jackson gets as many tackles as he does is because he's the only player on your Defense that CAN make those tackles. If you look at our game, half of his tackles came from him running across the field to tackle a runner because no one else could stop him. Put him on...lets say the Vikings for arguments sake, and that wouldn't be the case.

He's got 4 interceptions and 42 PD's, I'm not a big fan of that ratio. That means his receiver is getting passed to, but he's not picking many off. Take a look at Yeltsin sometime...10int/37PD...and 5 int/5pd in the playoffs. Raekwon isn't a bad player, but he's not all star material IMO.

So by me saying "which I am over now" you took that as still arguing? That makes sense, I understand you being pissed because I was calling Stickei out which is completely understandabl however I meant nothing against him like I said many times however I think my reasoning against Stickei is more reasonable then saying Raekwon is not an all-star because alot of his tackles came because he was covering ground for the weaker players on his team, that sounded like you were making a case for him. The guy stepped up and made plays against the run on the opposite side of the field, that sounds good to me.

By the way, i voted for Yelstin.

Originally posted by beaverrick
Originally posted by Clutch24

Originally posted by helluin


Originally posted by Clutch24




I personally put alot of time into the voting and did research on positions that had a group of players who could be considered. The fact that Stickei almost got a unaminous vote with the exception of Helluin (obviously) and myself proves Marion's point to be correct at least for the WR position. Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season. As I said before, Stickei is a great player but he was slot receiver. Helluin deserves credit for playing him that way, it has worked really well however how can we honor a player as an all-star when he was going against weak competition every time. However he was the leading receiver for Alpha. Hmmmmmm do you think people might have just looked at the numbers there???

So because his coach is smart enough to play him in the slot means that he isn't worthy of the All Star team? How about the other receivers in the line up for the Vikings? Gram put up almost the same numbers as Stickei, hell we shouldn't allow ANY Vikings WR's because their numbers are so skewed with McMahon passing to them, right?

Few teams have had the foresight to place a decent CB to counter Stickei(note: you didn't). But even if they had, I'm confident that Stickei's numbers would still be respectable. Either way, he's more than earned that position on the All Star Team.



I disagree. I understand I may be the only person who does but I am man enough to defend my comment. In my opinion he does not deserve to be an all-star, not a chance. Was Wes Welker an all-star last year. He led the league in receptions, he was 11th in the NFL in yards, was he even considered for the all-star team??? You made the decision to play your strongest receiver at third string so he could go against the softer corner, I think it was very smart strategy, we didn't change our corners because how do I know you are not going to move him back to #1 right before the game if you see me alter my defense. It was very effective strategy by you to help the team win but I don't feel a receiver that went put big numbers against 3rd string corners is an all-star.


So......when does being slot reciever = 3rd string? Slot recievers lining up against LB's or nickle backs is defenses decision. Nickle back = first sting nickle back, not 3rd string corner.

Well shit the bed... Albert Einstein reincarnated.

I've never seen so much commotion over one player getting snubbed.

Raekwon is not just one player he is THE player

Originally posted by helluin

The only reason Raekwon Jackson gets as many tackles as he does is because he's the only player on your Defense that CAN make those tackles. If you look at our game, half of his tackles came from him running across the field to tackle a runner because no one else could stop him. Put him on...lets say the Vikings for arguments sake, and that wouldn't be the case.


So a player with great stats that carries the defense he's on isn't deserving of an All-Star nod? I'm pretty sure you're in no position to say "what-ifs" about the team he is on. He is on the Knights, and if he is hustling and making plays where his teammates have not, then that is an added reason for an all-star nod. Your logic is flawed.