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Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by coachviking


Keeping USA PRO as the best league, FAR AND AWAY, in GLB.


bullshit. SA Pro is right there with USA Pro

No troll posts, please.

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by Ubasstards

Originally posted by coachviking



Keeping USA PRO as the best league, FAR AND AWAY, in GLB.


bullshit. SA Pro is right there with USA Pro

No troll posts, please.

+1

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by coachviking


Keeping USA PRO as the best league, FAR AND AWAY, in GLB.


bullshit. SA Pro is right there with USA Pro

plus, i know CV prob says this type of shit just to get me pissed off

Originally posted by McGrai37
I don't think the talent would spread out faster than the teams would get frustrated and gut.

I actually feel like the talent is starting to spread. USAPL has a lock on mostly S1 guys, but as the S2 teams and especially S3 teams start to reach their peak the talent will really spread out. It's gonna take those S1 fellows declining first.

Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by McGrai37

I don't think the talent would spread out faster than the teams would get frustrated and gut.

I actually feel like the talent is starting to spread. USAPL has a lock on mostly S1 guys, but as the S2 teams and especially S3 teams start to reach their peak the talent will really spread out. It's gonna take those S1 fellows declining first.

i would agree. USA Pro is the top talent now.

The gap between leagues is closing thankfully

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by PackMan97

Originally posted by McGrai37


I don't think the talent would spread out faster than the teams would get frustrated and gut.

I actually feel like the talent is starting to spread. USAPL has a lock on mostly S1 guys, but as the S2 teams and especially S3 teams start to reach their peak the talent will really spread out. It's gonna take those S1 fellows declining first.

i would agree. USA Pro is the top talent now.

The gap between leagues is closing thankfully

There are just a lot more high level players now, so its evening out. In fact, next season, I expect things to even out a ton as Season 2 players hit their plateau season, as there are a lot more Season 2 than Season 1 players.

It would be interesting to know how many active boosted players there are created in each season.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Hokiemon

Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league

pretty good idea, except what happens when the 9th and 10th place teams are actually better then half of the promotees?


Why is the possibility of this any reason at all not to go along with the idea? All that would mean is the World League still has its 16 best teams and 8 improved/better teams.

What people are also forgetting is that if let's say all 4 teams from any Pro League fail to make the playoffs, then they'll still be replaced the next season by their 2 best teams from the past season, which still gives the League a chance to prove itself. Also it means more teams get sent back down to their Pro League where they will compete to make it back to the World League.

Try and actually think about how it affects a bottom tier Pro League. Don't you think getting your best teams back from the World League and only having two of your League's teams up there at a time is a good thing for that League? You aren't stuck only having 2 forever. You can go from having 2 to 6 teams in the World League in just two seasons. So for example, a league like APL that has improved the most over recent seasons has a chance to prove themselves.

For a weaker Pro League, it means they will have less of their best teams "missing" from them than the stronger Pro Leagues as soon as Season 12 even if you take 4 from each region to start in Season 11. The World League's turnover of half the teams means it's not supposed to be a permanent place of residence (to make it one would be very impressive). The extra teams taken out of the "strongest" Pro Leagues should help spread things out so we should have less disparity between how "good" different Pro Leagues are.

After this first season of picking 4 teams per region it becomes 2, which means you have to win your Conference to make it to the World League. And you're going to worry about what happens if god forbid the 9th and 10th place teams from one season are replaced half by better teams and half by worse teams?

The World League is NOT going to nerf Pro Leagues at all. Besides this season I have to win a Pro League trophy to reach the World League, so even if I am a Lvl 31 capped team, on my list of goals I still have "win Pro League trophy" on there. As long as you keep the turnover high enough it is only going to be a short-term thing, (more like a tournament), and not a new "Top Tier League" like reaching USA Pro has been for teams in the USA region.


It's really important to realize that the World League and Pro Leagues are separate ideas. The World League may be the "best of the best" but that in no way makes it the top of the Pyramid unless it's set up where very few teams are relegated from it (which almost certainly won't be the case).

Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

Originally posted by tomcollins
Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

Originally posted by tomcollins
Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

This first season we have 0 teams in the World League. That is the only reason 4 teams are going up initially.

After that, if we send all the non-playoff teams back down (only 16 spots need to be filled now, not 32 like we need this season) that's 2 per region, which means after this season the only teams moving up to the World League will be teams that win their Pro League Conference.

Originally posted by BBVD
Originally posted by tomcollins

Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

Originally posted by Galkuris
Originally posted by BBVD

Originally posted by tomcollins


Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl
Originally posted by Galkuris

Originally posted by BBVD


Originally posted by tomcollins



Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

It's not making sense to me. Season 1 there are 4 teams from SEAPL. There are 32 teams in SEAPL that season. Say all 4 teams suck ass and get demoted. You are saying only demote the worst 2? That means there are 34 teams in SEAPL in Season 2. What do you do with the extra 2 teams? Doesn't your plan have the top 2 teams getting promoted no matter what? Then you always have 4 teams from each conference in.

Then say you have a league like USAPL that has 4 teams all make the playoffs. I'm assuming none of them get demoted, right? But what do you do with the Season 11 USAPL champions that would get promoted?

I don't quite understand how your promotion and relegation works (and I don't think you do either). Try explaining it a little simpler, perhaps? It might make sense in your head right now, but once you try to actually write it down you will realize you can't actually do what you are saying.

Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl
Originally posted by Galkuris

Originally posted by BBVD


Originally posted by tomcollins



Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

Ok, that makes more sense then when I read it the first time:

Season 11: All regions have 4 teams.
Season 12: SEAPL has 4 demoted, USAPL has 0 Demoted (just for an example)
----------------World League has 2 SEAPL and 6 USAPL teams
---USA makes up for not having any demotions by promoting 2 extra teams all the way down the chain
---So SEAPL just demotes 2 more teams all the way down?

(This is actually one of the options I was thinking would work the best)