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Just to stir the pot, Cincinnati is 1-0 all-time against Santiago.

Originally posted by Rezlov
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

USA Pro Title is 10 times harder to get than SA Pro.
6 Pro Titles > 0 Pro Titles

Regardless of where they are played. They could be played in Africa.

See, that's where I fundamentally disagree I guess, but I respect opposing opinions. I just think it's pretty LOL they can't even win their own sad ass league the past two seasons. At least WSI did that.

edit: just noticed they lost in the finals of S8, stand somewhat corrected

Isn't it amazing that there are teams outside of USA that are supposed to be good and somehow I 1) have never heard of them 2) couldn't care less about them.

Originally posted by CTap
Why does the fact that they are not around today impact their standing as the greatest ever?

Not arguing, just curious. I fully admit I have no idea who the best ever is... but I know the Nighthawks were f'n good while they were committed and I have a hard time believing anyone has ever been better at GLB... with the top 5-6 franchises it really is nitpicking imo
Points for longevity. The sim changes every season, part of being a great dotball team is staying ahead of the curve each and every time. I don't doubt that the Nighthawks *could* have done it, but the Benitos *have* done it. The Yetis don't belong in this conversation btw. Maybe if they would've ridden out in a blaze of glory like Boston did, but we saw how mediocre they were without Mike Rogers, and it weren't pretty.

Originally posted by Gambit26
Isn't it amazing that there are teams outside of USA that are supposed to be good and somehow I 1) have never heard of them 2) couldn't care less about them.


I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

people are getting a little too full of USA Pro these other leagues aren't horrible and saying that Santiago is bad because they play in SA is stupid

The Benitos would have a decent shot at a title in the East.

If they played in the West it's a lot more doubtful. Although I hear they practice voodoo in Santiago, so they may know a way to reverse the evil Bort Bowl mojo the West has going.

Originally posted by Cactus71
people are getting a little too full of USA Pro these other leagues aren't horrible and saying that Santiago is bad because they play in SA is stupid


I was being facetious. SAPL isn't horrible, but it is nowhere as close to where USA Pro is. There are some tough teams, and Santiago does well in tournaments, but it's not the same as having to gameplan for EVERY game. Up here the competition is top notch throughout. You have to be on your dotball every other day or you will get worked. Making a mistake or two could ruin your season when you have teams that have the talent to take advantage of that week in and week out.

So basically...I agree with islander.

Would the Benitos do well here? Yes, probably. They wouldn't be going 16-0 every season with a finals appearance though.

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by CTap

Why does the fact that they are not around today impact their standing as the greatest ever?

Not arguing, just curious. I fully admit I have no idea who the best ever is... but I know the Nighthawks were f'n good while they were committed and I have a hard time believing anyone has ever been better at GLB... with the top 5-6 franchises it really is nitpicking imo
Points for longevity. The sim changes every season, part of being a great dotball team is staying ahead of the curve each and every time. I don't doubt that the Nighthawks *could* have done it, but the Benitos *have* done it. The Yetis don't belong in this conversation btw. Maybe if they would've ridden out in a blaze of glory like Boston did, but we saw how mediocre they were without Mike Rogers, and it weren't pretty.


I get that. I guess I just don't give as much credit for longevity as others. imo the best is the best, regardless of longevity (the old Gale Sayers argument, I guess). Given that all of the contenders have a chink in their armor, I would say that lack of longevity is a pretty small one comparatively imo.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Rezlov

Originally posted by Sik Wit It


USA Pro Title is 10 times harder to get than SA Pro.
6 Pro Titles > 0 Pro Titles

Regardless of where they are played. They could be played in Africa.

See, that's where I fundamentally disagree I guess, but I respect opposing opinions. I just think it's pretty LOL they can't even win their own sad ass league the past two seasons. At least WSI did that.

edit: just noticed they lost in the finals of S8, stand somewhat corrected

Just wandering around the forums but in wanted to chime in on the Benitos defense. Season 8, there were a lot of good teams that lost to the I-Slam, I don't hold that against them. Season 9 they lost in the finals to us Monkeys, finally. And the Monkeys aren't a half bad team to lose to

I don't see them going 16-0 and automatic in the finals either but I definitely think they would be a title contender year in and year out.

And Havoc game plans for everyone except gutted teams, that man takes obsession to a new level lol.

Originally posted by Saris
The Benitos would have a decent shot at a title in the East.

If they played in the West it's a lot more doubtful. Although I hear they practice voodoo in Santiago, so they may know a way to reverse the evil Bort Bowl mojo the West has going.

lolwest here we go again.

Originally posted by CG
Originally posted by Saris

The Benitos would have a decent shot at a title in the East.

If they played in the West it's a lot more doubtful. Although I hear they practice voodoo in Santiago, so they may know a way to reverse the evil Bort Bowl mojo the West has going.

lolwest here we go again.



We're the Rodney Dangerfield of USA Pro.

lolyeast

Originally posted by CTap
Originally posted by Asheme

Originally posted by CTap


Why does the fact that they are not around today impact their standing as the greatest ever?

Not arguing, just curious. I fully admit I have no idea who the best ever is... but I know the Nighthawks were f'n good while they were committed and I have a hard time believing anyone has ever been better at GLB... with the top 5-6 franchises it really is nitpicking imo
Points for longevity. The sim changes every season, part of being a great dotball team is staying ahead of the curve each and every time. I don't doubt that the Nighthawks *could* have done it, but the Benitos *have* done it. The Yetis don't belong in this conversation btw. Maybe if they would've ridden out in a blaze of glory like Boston did, but we saw how mediocre they were without Mike Rogers, and it weren't pretty.


I get that. I guess I just don't give as much credit for longevity as others. imo the best is the best, regardless of longevity (the old Gale Sayers argument, I guess). Given that all of the contenders have a chink in their armor, I would say that lack of longevity is a pretty small one comparatively imo.

Here's why I'd say the Benitos are the best ever, so far. They beat teams with better talent than them on a very consistent basis and do it from a non glamor league. Flat out, it's comparatively easy to recruit in USAP. The majority of the top dots want to be here. No disrespect to SAPL, but they don't have the drawing power that we do here. It's a simple fact. Still, with lesser talent, the Benitos go out and just win game after game, ssn after ssn. To me, that's the sign of a flat out great team and a stellar GM/owner.

The Nighthawks, on the other hand, had such a talent advantage over everyone else that they could afford to screw up and still win. Can't remember the specifics, but Tricon screwed up the O AI in the Champ game. Wasn't that they went for it on every 4th or something goofy like that? They still won, because the talent gap between them and everyone else was the biggest I believe this game has ever seen. That also makes for a great team, but for different reasons.

If it weren't for the longevity factor and the Benitos having such an impressive record in scrims against the other top teams in the game, as well as holding the GLB Pro Champ Trophy, I think you could make a case for the Nighthawks, based on the pure talent that team had (I honestly don't think this game will ever see a talent gap even close to that impressive ever again). However, if talking about the best team to play the game, I think you have to look at all of that. When you do, the answer becomes obvious, at least to me.

PS If one was to debate who was the very best team for 1 ssn ever, then I'd give it to the Nighthawks without question. As I said, for that one ssn, the talent gap was almost awe inspiring. That was the only team I've ever seen that I really don't believe it was possible to beat, unless something even more extreme than them going for it on every 4th occurred. That said, it would have also been impossible to maintain that talent gap between them and the rest of GLB. It would have closed significantly in just one more ssn, most likely to around the gap they had the ssn before when they didn't make the champ game. No one knows knows how they would have done. However, IMO, that one team, that one ssn, was the best this game has ever seen, compared to the other teams in GLB.