I want to know if the CBs that have over 100 speed, also return kicks 7 punts? I would think that getting to 100+ would be better suited for the KR/PRs then just the plain old CBs.
Edited by Outlaw Dogs on Jun 6, 2009 18:24:28
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My CB has over 100 speed and he is only level 42 and he was #1 in picks and #2 in PD's playing within the suggested level of his league.
Plus, with his speed and closing speed, he can run down clowns that get by slower CB's.
Plus, with his speed and closing speed, he can run down clowns that get by slower CB's.
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Originally posted by koooo4
100/80 is a better combo
actually it is the best combo,
a 5:4 ratio always gives the best results, but you need some SAs to help keep up as well.
for most cases 70+ agiity will do, but having it up to 80 can be a big help once the build has progressed enough.
100/80 is a better combo
actually it is the best combo,
a 5:4 ratio always gives the best results, but you need some SAs to help keep up as well.
for most cases 70+ agiity will do, but having it up to 80 can be a big help once the build has progressed enough.
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speed
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speed
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Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
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Originally posted by Worker 3
Originally posted by cornerbackX24
Originally posted by mmuhr
No because you tried to justify your build by using stats. And the only reason your stats are so good is because you play in a bad league. We all know corners get way more stats in lower leagues. Im not saying your build is worse or you are wrong or anything(ok maybe I did say that), I was just saying its hard to say that your build is working as intended when you play in a bad league.
And well in the Pros the builds are usually a lot better. Its not JUST gameplanning.
See you do it again. lmao
i used to think the same way as you do, X24. but then i actually joined a competitive league... its really a lot more difficult than you would imagine.
I mean my player absolutely tore it up until he got promoted to AAA then he spent 2 mediocre shutdown seasons in AAA where he didnt really get any stats. The WRs in AAA are considerably better then the WRs I matched up against in A and AA. The best AAA WRs I played were on teams that went pro. I assume Pro WRs are really good.
The pro teams are pro because they recruit the best guys, not because they have top notch gameplanners. Well its a little bit of both.
Originally posted by cornerbackX24
Originally posted by mmuhr
No because you tried to justify your build by using stats. And the only reason your stats are so good is because you play in a bad league. We all know corners get way more stats in lower leagues. Im not saying your build is worse or you are wrong or anything(ok maybe I did say that), I was just saying its hard to say that your build is working as intended when you play in a bad league.
And well in the Pros the builds are usually a lot better. Its not JUST gameplanning.
See you do it again. lmao
i used to think the same way as you do, X24. but then i actually joined a competitive league... its really a lot more difficult than you would imagine.
I mean my player absolutely tore it up until he got promoted to AAA then he spent 2 mediocre shutdown seasons in AAA where he didnt really get any stats. The WRs in AAA are considerably better then the WRs I matched up against in A and AA. The best AAA WRs I played were on teams that went pro. I assume Pro WRs are really good.
The pro teams are pro because they recruit the best guys, not because they have top notch gameplanners. Well its a little bit of both.
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Originally posted by Pagypie
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Look at my stats for season 8. That was while I was the nickel back. CB's are going to be better if the speed/agi gap is small.
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Look at my stats for season 8. That was while I was the nickel back. CB's are going to be better if the speed/agi gap is small.
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Originally posted by Pagypie
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Nah I dont think thats the question. Obviously the payer would perform a bit better with more speed. The question is,
Is that slight boost in performance worth the SPs or EQ that will be lost elsewhere?
My Answer: No. To get 100 speed you need to either sacrifice SP to get speed above the 3:1 cap or sacrifice valuable EQ that could be in agility. I think agility is more effective then speed.
90/80 IMO.
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Nah I dont think thats the question. Obviously the payer would perform a bit better with more speed. The question is,
Is that slight boost in performance worth the SPs or EQ that will be lost elsewhere?
My Answer: No. To get 100 speed you need to either sacrifice SP to get speed above the 3:1 cap or sacrifice valuable EQ that could be in agility. I think agility is more effective then speed.
90/80 IMO.
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Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by Pagypie
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Nah I dont think thats the question. Obviously the payer would perform a bit better with more speed. The question is,
Is that slight boost in performance worth the SPs or EQ that will be lost elsewhere?
My Answer: No. To get 100 speed you need to either sacrifice SP to get speed above the 3:1 cap or sacrifice valuable EQ that could be in agility. I think agility is more effective then speed.
90/80 IMO.
or 95/85... just as long as you have a difference of 10. but +1. i think a lot of people think they need 100+ speed to keep up with receivers, and while that may be true with 115+ speed receivers, there aren't a ton of those that actually have good builds outside of their speed. 90-95 speed with the small cushion you get at the start of every play should be enough to stay on your man.
Originally posted by Pagypie
Originally posted by derek3238
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by PackOne
You don't need 100 speed to have an elite corner. End of discussion.
How would you know. none of yours is elite. Try 100 speed, if it doesn't make you elite then come back in here wit that nonsense.
You don't need 100 speed. My CB is proof of that. I don't even have 95 speedi can't help think of a chris rock quote when i read this: you can drive a car with your feet if you want to; that doesn't make it a good f****** idea"
in short what i'm saying is this: it's not about "can" it's about "should". Are you saying that your cb wouldn't perform better with 100 speed? If so, can you back that up?
Nah I dont think thats the question. Obviously the payer would perform a bit better with more speed. The question is,
Is that slight boost in performance worth the SPs or EQ that will be lost elsewhere?
My Answer: No. To get 100 speed you need to either sacrifice SP to get speed above the 3:1 cap or sacrifice valuable EQ that could be in agility. I think agility is more effective then speed.
90/80 IMO.
or 95/85... just as long as you have a difference of 10. but +1. i think a lot of people think they need 100+ speed to keep up with receivers, and while that may be true with 115+ speed receivers, there aren't a ton of those that actually have good builds outside of their speed. 90-95 speed with the small cushion you get at the start of every play should be enough to stay on your man.
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I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
Edited by Sarg01 on Jun 8, 2009 14:48:37
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I've seen plenty of elite Pro CBs that don't have 100 speed. I've seen some that do, but most don't. 90 speed is plenty if you have agility and vision and some nice SAs (Shutdown Coverage, First Step, Change Direction, etc).
My CB doesn't get beat deep very often at all while playing against the absolute best teams in GLB. Sometimes, but pretty rarely.
My CB doesn't get beat deep very often at all while playing against the absolute best teams in GLB. Sometimes, but pretty rarely.
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Originally posted by Sarg01
I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
Its the speed/agility ratio at work.
I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
Its the speed/agility ratio at work.
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You're all forgetting that 12 sp's in FS will help bridge the gap with agility.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.
At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.
100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.
At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.
100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.
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Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by Sarg01
I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
Its the speed/agility ratio at work.
Empirical data ftw.
Originally posted by Sarg01
I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.
The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.
The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0
Its the speed/agility ratio at work.
Empirical data ftw.
Edited by Mightyhalo on Jun 9, 2009 05:02:50
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Originally posted by bug03
You're all forgetting that 12 sp's in FS will help bridge the gap with agility.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.
At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.
100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.
tell that to dh12...
You're all forgetting that 12 sp's in FS will help bridge the gap with agility.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.
At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.
100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.
tell that to dh12...
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