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Originally posted by HydrOshocK
Almost every single one of my players will be Lvl 15 or higher by the end of the season, and I already have 4 that are at least that. The reason for that is because we had a game plan in the offseason. The devs delayed the player boosting for an extra week so we built 98% of our roster during that time and spent our hard earned money boosting and equipping them. Now tell me what happens to my team if they implement these penalties and we happen to lose and are stuck in the BBB for another season?

Actually, nothing will happen to your team as you levelled all those players while on your team. Bort is proposing to not allow you to SIGN new players over a level cap, say it is 16. Anyone already on your team is free to renegotiate, and stay there until they are level 10 million if they wish.

PinTBC

Originally posted by
In another words, you weren't good enough to develop a game plan to beat the other teams in your division while using players about equal to theirs, so instead of trying to figure out why you suck, you are simply going to go hire high levels to win the games for you?

Geez, I thought I spelled it out for even the retarded to understand but I guess not. What I said was that I OWN higher level players that play for other teams right now because there were none to purchase for myself, so as soon as they are available I will be bringing them to my team....whether people like you like it or not.

As far as your comment about figuring out why I suck....LMAO...do your homework son. I'd like to see you beat me.

NOt sure where Hydroshock said it, but I read his idea in one of the links and can't find it again. But teams that are staying together need to be rewarded. Her's what I posted in the main thread:

I think that if you institute level caps, then it should be a combination of both team and player. And you will have to cap it at both ends, meaning that there is a minimum level you have to be in order to play in that particular league and a maximum. However this can change according to the level of the teams in the league.

I don't think however that established teams should be made or forced to cut, release, or trade away players due to the requirements of their league's "cap". Owners shouldn't be penalized for improving their teams or the having players on there team that might improve over the "cap" during the course of the season.

I agree that something should be done to prevent teams in the lower divisions from loading up with guys so that they can crush the competition, but am not sure what.League salary caps are helping to police this situation to some extent.

It may take a shuffling of all the leagues in order to do this. There should be something done to encourage teams to stay together and to prevent FAs from just becoming hired guns. This seems to be the problem with your professional leagues and on your other mmorpg games. We need to figure out a way to reward the team concept more.

Mdibias,

There was nothing in Bort's proposal that would harm established teams or make them release or cut players that they have had on staff. By not penalizing them, it certainly gives them incentives to stick together.

Hydroshock,

I fully understood what you said. You were referring to other players on your account that are higher level than the ones on your team. Whether they are on your account, a friend's account, or Joe Schmoe's account, that is bringing high level players (hiring them for your team) into what is supposed to be a low level league, and if you have to do that to win, then all the power to you, just don't try to impress anyone by bragging about it.

PinTBC

Originally posted by PinTBC
Mdibias,

There was nothing in Bort's proposal that would harm established teams or make them release or cut players that they have had on staff. By not penalizing them, it certainly gives them incentives to stick together.

Hydroshock,

I fully understood what you said. You were referring to other players on your account that are higher level than the ones on your team. Whether they are on your account, a friend's account, or Joe Schmoe's account, that is bringing high level players (hiring them for your team) into what is supposed to be a low level league, and if you have to do that to win, then all the power to you, just don't try to impress anyone by bragging about it.

PinTBC

Dude you need to pick a fight with someone that has a lower IQ. You can twist my words any way you want but the bottom line is I don't have to do anything shady to win...I do a pretty good job of that now and I could beat your team with my backups. What I'm saying is that it should be my right to bring my own players to my own team, regardless of all the crying by people like you. I created them, I control them, and if I want them to play for my team then I should be able to. If it's supposed to be a low level league as you suggest then tell that to the dozens of other teams that have higher rosters than mine.

Nobody is bragging about anything bud, so go back to needle point or whatever it is you old ladies do for fun.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
My LOLB was one of the first players to sign with my team. When we aquired him he was a Lvl 9. It just so happened that he was sitting on a couple of boosts that I never new about, nor asked him to use. With XP and boosting he's now a Lvl 17, but he's nowhere near the top in the league in LB stats. So you're telling me, given some of the proposed changes, that because he's several levels higher than the average in my league that I would have to part ways with him or his morale will suffer and ultimately penalize my team? Well I'd have to tell you to kiss my ass.

Second, a lot of us have players that we created last season that we were forced to sign with other teams because they ran out of ones to buy. Now that I have been fortunate enough to buy my own team you're telling me when their contracts expire I can't have my own guys back, who I labored over countless hrs to build up, without penalty because they're a few levels higher than the average? Again, I would have to tell you to kiss my ass. You call then "ringers" if you want, I call them my property.

I agree that it would be ridiculous for an owner in the BBB to sign level 20 players just to gain an advantage, but if he has the power to do so then far be it from me to tell him he can't just because a bunch of newbie owners can't compete.....personally I think strategy and game planning can neutralize that sort of thing.

There are already checks and balances in place to combat that. The lower leagues like ours have lower income to start, which makes it very difficult to maintain a high level roster. Plus they added a minimum salary cap per level that means every time you have to give a player an equip bonus you have to pay him a much higher base salary. AND they have also added the trade/signing penalty to team chemistry for bringing high level players to a roster mid season. If you don't think that hurts a team just ask the Las Vegas Heat, who we hammered 80-0 because their team chemistry was shit.

What I'm saying is that there are already measures in place to level the playing field so there is no real need for more penalties, just let nature take its course. If you don't believe me then take a look at my current income and daily salary....you think it's easy to manage a high level roster in the BBB??



I've come to the conclusion that you guys just can't frickin' read...

It will only effect FA signings and Trades.

If your player has to be on your team, or if your friends and you have to stay together then sign them to long term contracts now.

Then they can stay together in BBB as long as you want...

Originally posted by kasu327
If you're going to put a cap on player levels, then you really need to allow more teams to move up and down a level each season.

Right now, if the cap were to be set at 15 for BBB3, I would have one player over, and two players at 15. with a couple of games left this season, I would then have my three best players taking hits going into the playoffs.

Theres a good chance that my team will not be one of the two teams moving up next season.

That would mean then, after removing the two top teams that the average player level will drop some. Since I'm not moving up next season, I will have 10-14 players over level 15 a couple games into season 3. Now I realize that the cap is flexible depending on the average player rating for the league.

But the top team not moving up is going to likely be taking a big hit the next season. Now if you move the top and bottom 4 teams each season, then this problem would be somewhat lessened.

THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A LOW-END CAP. The good teams in a league shouldn't be punished because some team in the league sucks ass or gets gutted.

If a team has an average player level of 5 is in a league where the average team outside of said team is at level 12 then the calculations shouldn't count that team.
Reading comprehension is your friend...

Originally posted by kasu327
I just have a problem with getting punished for creating a good team.

now maybe if they added a clause saying that you cant BRING IN a player thats outside the top level, but you won't get punished for developing a player higher than the level.

Meaning, if the cap is set at 15, you can't sign a level 16 free agent, but if you have a level 13 and he plays his way up to level 16 that you don't get punished.

They DID say exactly that.

If you had taken the time to frickin' read the thread, you would know it...

These are the worst two ideas I've ever heard of.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
Originally posted by PinTBC

Hydroshock,

I fully understood what you said. You were referring to other players on your account that are higher level than the ones on your team. Whether they are on your account, a friend's account, or Joe Schmoe's account, that is bringing high level players (hiring them for your team) into what is supposed to be a low level league, and if you have to do that to win, then all the power to you, just don't try to impress anyone by bragging about it.

PinTBC

Dude you need to pick a fight with someone that has a lower IQ. You can twist my words any way you want but the bottom line is I don't have to do anything shady to win...

I haven't twisted anything. You specifically said that when you lose in your playoffs this time, you are planning on bringing in better players for next year's run. It's pretty clear. I've never ever said that it was currently wrong for people to do that. I am however hoping that Bort manages to put in his system of limits and folks won't be able to automatically have the top teams because they can grab high level players, but that may just be me.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
I do a pretty good job of that now and I could beat your team with my backups. What I'm saying is that it should be my right to bring my own players to my own team, regardless of all the crying by people like you. I created them, I control them, and if I want them to play for my team then I should be able to.

Wrong. I should be able to drive my Pickup as fast as I want to also. It does over 120, but I still have to follow the rules of the road. If Bort manages to put in the level caps, and finish fleshing out his tiered system, then you simply have to live within the rules.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
If it's supposed to be a low level league as you suggest then tell that to the dozens of other teams that have higher rosters than mine.

Nobody is bragging about anything bud, so go back to needle point or whatever it is you old ladies do for fun.

Chuckle, I hope to run into you in the next conference.

PinTBC

Originally posted by shield.bearer
Originally posted by HydrOshocK

My LOLB was one of the first players to sign with my team. When we aquired him he was a Lvl 9. It just so happened that he was sitting on a couple of boosts that I never new about, nor asked him to use. With XP and boosting he's now a Lvl 17, but he's nowhere near the top in the league in LB stats. So you're telling me, given some of the proposed changes, that because he's several levels higher than the average in my league that I would have to part ways with him or his morale will suffer and ultimately penalize my team? Well I'd have to tell you to kiss my ass.

Second, a lot of us have players that we created last season that we were forced to sign with other teams because they ran out of ones to buy. Now that I have been fortunate enough to buy my own team you're telling me when their contracts expire I can't have my own guys back, who I labored over countless hrs to build up, without penalty because they're a few levels higher than the average? Again, I would have to tell you to kiss my ass. You call then "ringers" if you want, I call them my property.

I agree that it would be ridiculous for an owner in the BBB to sign level 20 players just to gain an advantage, but if he has the power to do so then far be it from me to tell him he can't just because a bunch of newbie owners can't compete.....personally I think strategy and game planning can neutralize that sort of thing.

There are already checks and balances in place to combat that. The lower leagues like ours have lower income to start, which makes it very difficult to maintain a high level roster. Plus they added a minimum salary cap per level that means every time you have to give a player an equip bonus you have to pay him a much higher base salary. AND they have also added the trade/signing penalty to team chemistry for bringing high level players to a roster mid season. If you don't think that hurts a team just ask the Las Vegas Heat, who we hammered 80-0 because their team chemistry was shit.

What I'm saying is that there are already measures in place to level the playing field so there is no real need for more penalties, just let nature take its course. If you don't believe me then take a look at my current income and daily salary....you think it's easy to manage a high level roster in the BBB??



I've come to the conclusion that you guys just can't frickin' read...

It will only effect FA signings and Trades.

If your player has to be on your team, or if your friends and you have to stay together then sign them to long term contracts now.

Then they can stay together in BBB as long as you want...


They can't be signed now Einstein, they're stuck on other teams.....jeezus

Originally posted by PinTBC
Originally posted by HydrOshocK

Originally posted by PinTBC


Hydroshock,

I fully understood what you said. You were referring to other players on your account that are higher level than the ones on your team. Whether they are on your account, a friend's account, or Joe Schmoe's account, that is bringing high level players (hiring them for your team) into what is supposed to be a low level league, and if you have to do that to win, then all the power to you, just don't try to impress anyone by bragging about it.

PinTBC

Dude you need to pick a fight with someone that has a lower IQ. You can twist my words any way you want but the bottom line is I don't have to do anything shady to win...

I haven't twisted anything. You specifically said that when you lose in your playoffs this time, you are planning on bringing in better players for next year's run. It's pretty clear. I've never ever said that it was currently wrong for people to do that. I am however hoping that Bort manages to put in his system of limits and folks won't be able to automatically have the top teams because they can grab high level players, but that may just be me.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK

I do a pretty good job of that now and I could beat your team with my backups. What I'm saying is that it should be my right to bring my own players to my own team, regardless of all the crying by people like you. I created them, I control them, and if I want them to play for my team then I should be able to.

Wrong. I should be able to drive my Pickup as fast as I want to also. It does over 120, but I still have to follow the rules of the road. If Bort manages to put in the level caps, and finish fleshing out his tiered system, then you simply have to live within the rules.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK

If it's supposed to be a low level league as you suggest then tell that to the dozens of other teams that have higher rosters than mine.

Nobody is bragging about anything bud, so go back to needle point or whatever it is you old ladies do for fun.

Chuckle, I hope to run into you in the next conference.

PinTBC

you're a tool

There are going to be issues no matter what is done, but in the LONG RUN, this will be better for GLB.

Originally posted by ChrisRichey
There are going to be issues no matter what is done, but in the LONG RUN, this will be better for GLB.

I agree completely with this.

i thought the object of the game is to win, and the way to win is to put the best team on the field you can with the best game plan. So what is this all really about?