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Originally posted by Auris
Originally posted by Luzod

I also don't think it's broken still. Well, back in season 7 they forced 3 fumbles on us. I think it's more about THEM than about us.

GODDAMNIT, JUST ADMIT YOU ARE PISSED ABOUT JAMIRO FUMBLING 3 TIMES! lol

I think it's weird because they only fumble on kickoff!

Go to hell, not even you hear to my damn post about fucking energy. I already said 50x it's about new energy shit that Bort added, so returners run 20~30 yards, lose hell a lot of energy, get hit and then fumble. As kickoff blockers are stupid, they just sit waiting while the other team get the ball and return it for TD.

Anyway, Jamiro stamina isn't that good, so may be why he fumbled.

Still you didn't read the topics people made about 'how can my guy fumble 15 times after playing 180 plays?"

I fumbled today..but of course to me..it seems like just about every time I get hit its a big hit..or a monster hit lol..But I dont drop it so I really take it in stride lol.. What I think it could be is the Returner Slider..Dont know how many people use super elusive.. But they said it is supposed to be for those with high agility.. They are moving around alot to find a space, and I dont know many who can move around like that to get away from defenders and find a space to run through all the while holding onto the ball with a tight grip...one good hit is going to knock it loose..

I believe its player builds myself. GB utterly crushed us in turn over margin and we could barely force any ourselves. We just happen to match up against Compton well and over the last couple seasons the games between us have tipped in my teams direction. Nothing saying the sim won't go the other way like it did in the playoffs in AAA a couple seasons ago.

Personally I see no team beating GB this season, we are not the top of the food chain in the Pro league but I would have to say after crushing MEM, my team and OTR in the last three they are hands down the favorites to take the league this season.

That may be true..but we always seem to play GB fairly well

Originally posted by jktooley
Originally posted by PierreThomas

I'm willing to bet a certain person changes their opinion in about 13 hours.

I'm willing to bet you weren't even talking about me, but you win the bet....

Cooter entered todays game averaging one fumble every 79 carries over the course of his career... Though last season that number was one every 144 carries...

Todays "contest"? 1 every 3.5 carries... As far as attributes go... strength at or above 100..... carrying at or above 64.... confidence at or above 48..........

Yeah, wasn't talking about you but anybody that thinks there RB or KR is immune to fumbles just hasn't played the right team yet.

Any team with strength at 68, several points in monster hit, an AEQ piece with force fumble chance and VAs in power tackler and helmet crash is going to force a shit ton of fumbles regardless of the backs stats. Carrying only helps so much, cover up is extremely under powered and on top of that Not fumble chance AEQ and VAs probably broken because I haven't seen them help. To compound the problem there is no VA that just helps prevent fumbles. Mr. Reliable only does on first down and that doesn't do shit for the other 3 downs or special teams. CBs don't have cover up SA and if they want to get it with AEQ then that means they can't get juke or head fake and the return man VA wont work for them. It is a shitty system full of holes but hopefully it doesn't get changed until next season because it certainly wouldn't be fair to teams that spent the offseason beefing up forced fumble abilities. I tried to bring it up in the offseason and instead of looking at the problem everyone wanted to be a smart ass and try to start a flame war. It shouldn't take 6 days worth of sims to see a problem when there is 10k games a day simming.

Oh well.

Thanks for the kind words, Jaxx, but I don't see any Gold Trophies for ssn 9 on my team page yet. Unfortunately, I don't believe that the Shockers, Gamblers, OTR, DDL, ***O***, Bullets, hell, any team at all in the East would be willing to concede the East to us.

I'm starting to believe that we are pretty good (thought that could easily change over the next 3 games(SDL, OTR, Shockers, Apline & Gamblers....what a way to start the ssn)), but I sure am not foolish enough to believe that we're a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

yeah. that is a tough stretch to start the season lol...but you dont have to play OFG or the Bullets until the end this year haha

Well, Pierre, for what it's worth, it sure looks to me like you and the rest raising concerns about it will get their way on this one. Bort is already talking sliders and all sorts of stuff. Sorry if I'm less than thrilled about it though. I do completely disagree though. IMO, anyone that put even 1/3rd the effort into hanging onto the ball (I know...crazy thought for one that carries the ball and all) that they did into the glamor skills aren't suffering from huge lvls of fumbles. Sure, some may have mid 60s carrying, but there are really 3 parts to hanging onto the ball, and 48 confidence isn't good, IMO.

The bright side is that I fully expected that, if it worked as well as I suspected, Bort would reward my builds by ruining them. Hell, he's done it to me every single time I've been able to make a great dot before. why should this be an exception. Mark my words, he'll dial it down to where there are "reasonable" lvls of fumbles now, most HBs & returners will finally get smart, fix the holes in their builds and by the POs all the investments I've made will transform my dots into being absolutely worthless, due to no longer being able to force any at all...Shame. I honestly do believe it would have fixed itself by the PO.

Originally posted by Carnage
yeah. that is a tough stretch to start the season lol...but you dont have to play OFG or the Bullets until the end this year haha

I know....I figured the only thing that could make it worse would be to add ***O***, DDL & the Bullets into that stretch.

If that had happened PP that would by far be the craziest stretch of games ever haha

This thread and issue is a prime example of why this game will never make it out of "beta"

Originally posted by PP
Well, Pierre, for what it's worth, it sure looks to me like you and the rest raising concerns about it will get their way on this one. Bort is already talking sliders and all sorts of stuff. Sorry if I'm less than thrilled about it though. I do completely disagree though. IMO, anyone that put even 1/3rd the effort into hanging onto the ball (I know...crazy thought for one that carries the ball and all) that they did into the glamor skills aren't suffering from huge lvls of fumbles. Sure, some may have mid 60s carrying, but there are really 3 parts to hanging onto the ball, and 48 confidence isn't good, IMO.

The bright side is that I fully expected that, if it worked as well as I suspected, Bort would reward my builds by ruining them. Hell, he's done it to me every single time I've been able to make a great dot before. why should this be an exception. Mark my words, he'll dial it down to where there are "reasonable" lvls of fumbles now, most HBs & returners will finally get smart, fix the holes in their builds and by the POs all the investments I've made will transform my dots into being absolutely worthless, due to no longer being able to force any at all...Shame. I honestly do believe it would have fixed itself by the PO.

Don't blame me. I tried to get something done in the preseason. If he changes it now then it kills several teams I GM and I really don't want a change because my team has invested quite a few points into forcing fumbles as well.

As far as builds go. RBs can't have 68 carrying, 61 confidence, 5 or more in cover up and be expected to have at least 60 strength to run through a hole and still have enough speed, agility and SAs to be effective, particularly for elusive backs. There are a few dozen level 50+ RBs that were built right from the beginning that could handle that type of requirement but very few other than that.

I hope Bort allows another vet reset if he dials it down and I really do feel very sorry for you. The speed changes have really hurt our receiving core. I've had players get nerfed, I've had teams get nerfed and they suck but during the season it is the type of shit that makes you want to quit the game particularly as an owner that busts his ass.

The crazy thing is Bort tries this shit to prevent cookie cutter builds when all he ends up doing is molding them into cookie cutters.

If it was up to me VAs would be eliminated completely from the game. It creates more exploits and increases the work load on already over worked owners but obviously it isn't up to me.

Oh, I know it won't be your fault Pierre...It just gets frustrating, knowing that when ever you hit your goal for a build that Bort will totally ruin them. I still completely disagree with you on HB/returner builds, though. I'd like to think all 3 of my HBs and my returner have pretty decent builds (the returner put up 14 points this last game and the HBs are the best combo I've ever had) and I'm not worried about fumbles. I'm completely, 100% convinced that this is fixable through builds and would work itself out to a reasonable level (I don't disagree that there currently are too many fumbles. I just blame builds). Unfortunately, when Bort fixes it, the returners and HBs will still pump the anti fumbling skills and FFums will become a thing of the past, instead of settling at a "reasonable" level.

I'll shut up now

Originally posted by PP
Oh, I know it won't be your fault Pierre...It just gets frustrating, knowing that when ever you hit your goal for a build that Bort will totally ruin them. I still completely disagree with you on HB/returner builds, though. I'd like to think all 3 of my HBs and my returner have pretty decent builds (the returner put up 14 points this last game and the HBs are the best combo I've ever had) and I'm not worried about fumbles. I'm completely, 100% convinced that this is fixable through builds and would work itself out to a reasonable level (I don't disagree that there currently are too many fumbles. I just blame builds). Unfortunately, when Bort fixes it, the returners and HBs will still pump the anti fumbling skills and FFums will become a thing of the past, instead of settling at a "reasonable" level.

I'll shut up now

I still contend that people would bitch far less if 98% of all these fumbles were going for fucking touchdowns. THAT is a far bigger joke than the fact that low carrying HBs and CBs are putting the ball on the turf. We'd ALL agree that that's going to happen.

But you're going to tell me that 98% of the time there's someone right THERE to scoop up the ball and return it 30+ yards for a touchdown? What happened to people just falling on the ball like real football?

I'll break my promise to shut up about this, just to say that I 100% agree with you on that one, lawdawg. Apparently, GLB dots don't know how to fall on the ball. They just scoop and run with amazing effectiveness.