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Modok
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Originally posted by thehazyone
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I have no dog in this fight, but I wouldn't even consider thinking about an agreement like that, unless it also included QB runs. If not, it's a fool's trade.

PS....That's not a rip on Hazy or the way he played us in any way, shape or form. I'm just saying that it would be absolutely stupid for ***O*** to agree to that without having that tossed in as well. I was WAY more concerned about that being run against us than I ever was the SI slam.


I wouldn't necessarily agree with that - removing the inside run out of the Strong I makes the QB Rollouts easy to defend.


Just removing the SI slam doesn't take away the inside run game. We ran very effectively inside out of the weak I, I and single back in the vast majority of our games. I agree that QB rollouts are VERY easy to defend, but you have to give up a big part of your inside run D to do it. Facing you forces a bitch of a dilemma...Do you take away the QB runs, which are scary as hell, but give up the inside or do you hope like hell that you use them sparingly and play a far more standard D? That's why I wrote what I did. If I was ***O*** I'd have never have gone for that deal. IMO, it just hands you the game, if you want/are willing to take it. All you'd have to do is run heavy and split it 50/50 between QB roll and the other inside runs. If there's a way to effectively defend both, I've got no clue what it is. The best D against your O is to keep your O off the field.

I sure hope none of this is coming off disrespectfully. I tip the hat I'm not wearing to you on how you played us. I was nervous as hell that you'd put in an O like you had against NAV and was thankful that you beat us straight up, instead.



No disrespect PP. I know Copeland is a weapon that forces teams to make choices. The problem with going 50/50 though is that if you do stop the QB run it's usually for a loss, at least with the SI Slam, you're guaranteed a gain. It's why, with the exception of a couple of games, I've never spammed the Rollouts. I just like having it there to keep teams honest.

And SI - you seriously need to quit trolling my responses. It's disrespectful. I tried for the Green Bay game as well. I tried for the last game of the regular season as well. It's not like it was the first time I've tried to get a non SI Slam game, and the Gamblers actually use the Strong I Slam the least of the 4 remaining teams... by a long shot.


He called TSE SI...I lollered.
 
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Originally posted by Modok
Originally posted by thehazyone

Originally posted by PP


Originally posted by thehazyone



Originally posted by PP




I have no dog in this fight, but I wouldn't even consider thinking about an agreement like that, unless it also included QB runs. If not, it's a fool's trade.

PS....That's not a rip on Hazy or the way he played us in any way, shape or form. I'm just saying that it would be absolutely stupid for ***O*** to agree to that without having that tossed in as well. I was WAY more concerned about that being run against us than I ever was the SI slam.


I wouldn't necessarily agree with that - removing the inside run out of the Strong I makes the QB Rollouts easy to defend.


Just removing the SI slam doesn't take away the inside run game. We ran very effectively inside out of the weak I, I and single back in the vast majority of our games. I agree that QB rollouts are VERY easy to defend, but you have to give up a big part of your inside run D to do it. Facing you forces a bitch of a dilemma...Do you take away the QB runs, which are scary as hell, but give up the inside or do you hope like hell that you use them sparingly and play a far more standard D? That's why I wrote what I did. If I was ***O*** I'd have never have gone for that deal. IMO, it just hands you the game, if you want/are willing to take it. All you'd have to do is run heavy and split it 50/50 between QB roll and the other inside runs. If there's a way to effectively defend both, I've got no clue what it is. The best D against your O is to keep your O off the field.

I sure hope none of this is coming off disrespectfully. I tip the hat I'm not wearing to you on how you played us. I was nervous as hell that you'd put in an O like you had against NAV and was thankful that you beat us straight up, instead.



No disrespect PP. I know Copeland is a weapon that forces teams to make choices. The problem with going 50/50 though is that if you do stop the QB run it's usually for a loss, at least with the SI Slam, you're guaranteed a gain. It's why, with the exception of a couple of games, I've never spammed the Rollouts. I just like having it there to keep teams honest.

And SI - you seriously need to quit trolling my responses. It's disrespectful. I tried for the Green Bay game as well. I tried for the last game of the regular season as well. It's not like it was the first time I've tried to get a non SI Slam game, and the Gamblers actually use the Strong I Slam the least of the 4 remaining teams... by a long shot.


He called TSE SI...I lollered.


I'm trying to decide who should be insulted more. TSI or SI
 
thehazyone
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Originally posted by PP
I agree about the chance of stopping it for a loss, but the odds of it going for 15-20 is so much higher than the SI Slam, against a good D, IMO.

I'm pretty sure you understood, but the only reason I didn't agree to some sort of deal was because I didn't want the sim to end up running something more than it should and for there to be an issue that way (didn't realize you didn't want it ran at all, figured you were going for a % cap). As you can see from the numbers in our game (36 runs, 25 passes and, though I haven't done the breakdown, I did have 7 different run plays loaded up for that game), it wasn't because I didn't want to steer away for the SI slam. I just honestly felt bad that Duff felt somewhat cheated when we had a loose agreement and didn't want that repeated. For as much time as we waste here and how overly seriously we tend to take this game, it's just a stupid game, and not worth having ppl feeling like I screwed them over.


Oh I had no doubt you wouldn't over use the Slam, which is why I felt confident not doing the same on my end.

Good game PP, I'm sure we'll battle many more times in seasons to come.
 
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Originally posted by Modok
Originally posted by thehazyone

Originally posted by PP


Originally posted by thehazyone



Originally posted by PP




I have no dog in this fight, but I wouldn't even consider thinking about an agreement like that, unless it also included QB runs. If not, it's a fool's trade.

PS....That's not a rip on Hazy or the way he played us in any way, shape or form. I'm just saying that it would be absolutely stupid for ***O*** to agree to that without having that tossed in as well. I was WAY more concerned about that being run against us than I ever was the SI slam.


I wouldn't necessarily agree with that - removing the inside run out of the Strong I makes the QB Rollouts easy to defend.


Just removing the SI slam doesn't take away the inside run game. We ran very effectively inside out of the weak I, I and single back in the vast majority of our games. I agree that QB rollouts are VERY easy to defend, but you have to give up a big part of your inside run D to do it. Facing you forces a bitch of a dilemma...Do you take away the QB runs, which are scary as hell, but give up the inside or do you hope like hell that you use them sparingly and play a far more standard D? That's why I wrote what I did. If I was ***O*** I'd have never have gone for that deal. IMO, it just hands you the game, if you want/are willing to take it. All you'd have to do is run heavy and split it 50/50 between QB roll and the other inside runs. If there's a way to effectively defend both, I've got no clue what it is. The best D against your O is to keep your O off the field.

I sure hope none of this is coming off disrespectfully. I tip the hat I'm not wearing to you on how you played us. I was nervous as hell that you'd put in an O like you had against NAV and was thankful that you beat us straight up, instead.



No disrespect PP. I know Copeland is a weapon that forces teams to make choices. The problem with going 50/50 though is that if you do stop the QB run it's usually for a loss, at least with the SI Slam, you're guaranteed a gain. It's why, with the exception of a couple of games, I've never spammed the Rollouts. I just like having it there to keep teams honest.

And SI - you seriously need to quit trolling my responses. It's disrespectful. I tried for the Green Bay game as well. I tried for the last game of the regular season as well. It's not like it was the first time I've tried to get a non SI Slam game, and the Gamblers actually use the Strong I Slam the least of the 4 remaining teams... by a long shot.


He called TSE SI...I lollered.


lol I did - I noticed it and edited it but you caught it.
 
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lol I did - I noticed it and edited it but you caught it.


Weird. Yeah I read that post and had no clue what you were trying to say there, cause I didn't see SI in this thread, and you mentioned SI later in your paragraph. But nevertheless, i'm not trolling you, so what you say doesn't make any sense. This is the Pro League forum, and I reply and comment on anything that is bizarre or worthy of a rebuttal when people say some really crazy stuff that sets them up for a reply like that, it has nothing to do with trolling. You set yourself up for that one.
 
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