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Originally posted by remus7x
Originally posted by Drago

Originally posted by remus7x


Originally posted by xcoach2



Originally posted by remus7x




It has nothing to with whether or not he's a power back tbh. It has to do with the fact that he got hit or initiated contact with a tackler 118 times in one game. I don't care who you are, you would be laid the fuck out at that point.

You musta missed the part where I pointed out that Larry is a gym rat and doesn't drink or smoke. My dot is a dotmate of Larry's and when all the other dots headed out to the bar to celebrate Larry's 66th carry, Larry went straight to the training room. Plus, our dots cheer like sonsofbitches when Larry carries the mail.

Oh i'm sorry, did you run out of legitimate points or are you just that stupid? Please bring in one of the intelligent monkeys in to argue this.

If Steven Jackson initiated contact with a bunch of high school level strength/tackle guys I'd bet he could do it 118 times too.

I wouldn't say the level of competition Larry has faced would be equal to facing high schoolers, but i wouldn't expect you to admit this.

No they've got the speed of pro players, no doubt. But the two stats I pointed out... yea, high schoolers.

Originally posted by xcoach2
Originally posted by remus7x

Originally posted by xcoach2


Originally posted by remus7x



It has nothing to with whether or not he's a power back tbh. It has to do with the fact that he got hit or initiated contact with a tackler 118 times in one game. I don't care who you are, you would be laid the fuck out at that point.

You musta missed the part where I pointed out that Larry is a gym rat and doesn't drink or smoke. My dot is a dotmate of Larry's and when all the other dots headed out to the bar to celebrate Larry's 66th carry, Larry went straight to the training room. Plus, our dots cheer like sonsofbitches when Larry carries the mail.

Oh i'm sorry, did you run out of legitimate points or are you just that stupid? Please bring in one of the intelligent monkeys in to argue this.

Well, I am the OP, so stop whining and adjust your builds. No need to nerf Larry, he's already feels like he's lettin' all his dotmates down because he has his lowest YPC this season in four of the past five (seasons). And besides, I already spilled the beans that Motiv. Speaker (VA) is the culprit. I suggest you guys cry to Bort and get a VA reset so that you too can exploit Motiv. Speaker.

Whining? Again i asked you to bring in an intelligent monkey and you failed to deliver. Guess i gotta go step by step on your slow ass.
1. YPC has no influence on this discussion, the nerf to power backs dealt with breaking tackles not stamina. The fact that he can break as many tackles as he does speaks to how good his build is and i have no problem with that. Realism would say that a football players body wouldn't be able to take that kind of pounding.
2. Motivational Speaker has to do with morale, not stamina.
3. Please send for intelligent poster from your team, Drago's trying a little but even he can't carry your dead weight.

Originally posted by Drago
Originally posted by remus7x

Originally posted by Drago


Originally posted by remus7x



Originally posted by xcoach2




Originally posted by remus7x





It has nothing to with whether or not he's a power back tbh. It has to do with the fact that he got hit or initiated contact with a tackler 118 times in one game. I don't care who you are, you would be laid the fuck out at that point.

You musta missed the part where I pointed out that Larry is a gym rat and doesn't drink or smoke. My dot is a dotmate of Larry's and when all the other dots headed out to the bar to celebrate Larry's 66th carry, Larry went straight to the training room. Plus, our dots cheer like sonsofbitches when Larry carries the mail.

Oh i'm sorry, did you run out of legitimate points or are you just that stupid? Please bring in one of the intelligent monkeys in to argue this.

If Steven Jackson initiated contact with a bunch of high school level strength/tackle guys I'd bet he could do it 118 times too.

I wouldn't say the level of competition Larry has faced would be equal to facing high schoolers, but i wouldn't expect you to admit this.

No they've got the speed of pro players, no doubt. But the two stats I pointed out... yea, high schoolers.

Well i guess I can only speak from the builds on the navs, but i would say we have pro level tackle/str, guess we'll see when we play ya.

Originally posted by xcoach2
Looks like they've been nerfed already. P Backs were way overpowered in S7, the numbers tell no lies. Csonka is avg'ing 2 yards less YPC in S8 (8.6 to 6.6), Shonn Greene is down from 7.3 YPC to 4.8. The power back issue was brought in S7 and there were those (including myself, Vegas) that were accused of making excuses. So, STFU and take your medicine you whiny bitches. Shit' didn't get out of hand until MEM went out and got the best P back in the game, now the cry babies are in full force including *sigh* bhall, And lol at HHW for crying about a running game exploit, that's some funny shit. Csonka has like 70+ stamina & 60+ confidence, you whiners need to get take you medicine and adjust your builds.

Lol, not to sound an ass, but he certainly hasn't even close to 70 stamina and 60 confidence or his overall bar would be way better than 45. And don't come with 'bars mean nothign blah blah blah', because they may not mean much, but they'll certainly tell us something.

Running the same player 66 times is ridiculous, and none here is complaining about the power of your HB, but about the stupid way you the whole game which goes completely against the so called 'realism'.

While Csonka is being singled out a little bit for being able to run 66 times without tiring - I think most will agree that in general, the Season 8 sim is garbage. For all the 'realism' Bort wants, he's been stuck in a pointless cycle of nerfing things to manipulate stats, rather than going into the nitty gritty of the sim and fixing the logic behind a pass, or pass protection, or run blocking, etc.

I do think that powerbacks do not tire as easily as they should at the moment though - our own Bukka Moore included. However, at the moment, since running is literally the only option of the horrendous season 8 sim because of the clearly flawed QB-leading code and thus the sheer ineffectiveness of the short passing game (for most of us), I will say that I can't fault MEM for doing what they have to do to win - and that's give Csonka the ball every down that makes even the remotest sense.

Furthermore, there is nothing to say that this is anything new. For all we know, Alpine could have given Csonka the ball 70 times a game last season too without any problem - it's only been revealed because it is the most viable gameplan in the current sim.

Originally posted by rj414
While Csonka is being singled out a little bit for being able to run 66 times without tiring - I think most will agree that in general, the Season 8 sim is garbage. For all the 'realism' Bort wants, he's been stuck in a pointless cycle of nerfing things to manipulate stats, rather than going into the nitty gritty of the sim and fixing the logic behind a pass, or pass protection, or run blocking, etc.

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I actually think the pancakes were a good thing, but the passes are really poor atm. I mean... REALLY poor.

It's not about a nerf it's about exploiting the fact that there are no injuries or residual effects of overuse.

Look at Larry Johnson and Jamal Anderson after they had 400 carries over a 16 game season. Those are two of the more solid players to ever strap it up. Csonka has over 100 carries in a 2 game period.

The guy would be useless for the rest of the season and more likely the rest of his career.

Originally posted by Luzod
Originally posted by rj414

While Csonka is being singled out a little bit for being able to run 66 times without tiring - I think most will agree that in general, the Season 8 sim is garbage. For all the 'realism' Bort wants, he's been stuck in a pointless cycle of nerfing things to manipulate stats, rather than going into the nitty gritty of the sim and fixing the logic behind a pass, or pass protection, or run blocking, etc.

+1

I actually think the pancakes were a good thing, but the passes are really poor atm. I mean... REALLY poor.

I still think the pancakes are overdone, though. I mean - it's one thing if without getting a pancake run blocking was useless - but on the vast majority of plays where you see effective run blocking in reality and in GLB up until this season, there were hardly any pancakes happening. While I like that we can see them, I don't like that their frequency was increased so much. I do think it needed to be increased a bit, but not to the extent that it was.

Originally posted by vgaff
It's not about a nerf it's about exploiting the fact that there are no injuries or residual effects of overuse.

Look at Larry Johnson and Jamal Anderson after they had 400 carries over a 16 game season. Those are two of the more solid players to ever strap it up. Csonka has over 100 carries in a 2 game period.

The guy would be useless for the rest of the season and more likely the rest of his career.

2 game period = multiple 16 game seasons. good point.

Does he carry his own bags at the airport?

Originally posted by vgaff
It's not about a nerf it's about exploiting the fact that there are no injuries or residual effects of overuse.

Look at Larry Johnson and Jamal Anderson after they had 400 carries over a 16 game season. Those are two of the more solid players to ever strap it up. Csonka has over 100 carries in a 2 game period.

The guy would be useless for the rest of the season and more likely the rest of his career.

Well, I realize I'm in the minority, but trying to make GLB about realism IMO is the root of every one of it's problems. GLB is not the NFL or the NCAA - it's a fun game with dots. Everything from nerfing speed ends to buffing powerbacks and pancakes to now wanting to nerf powerbacks and pancakes, all in aid of realism... why not just let GLB have it's own identity?

Now, if it's identity is to be a sim environment wherein the only viable offensive gameplan is to run the ball 50 times because the passing game is broken and run defense is laughable, then I can see how that could be a bad thing - but if we could ultimately make it into something that provides a stimulating strategic challenge, why must it also reflect "real" football?

Originally posted by Drago
Originally posted by vgaff

It's not about a nerf it's about exploiting the fact that there are no injuries or residual effects of overuse.

Look at Larry Johnson and Jamal Anderson after they had 400 carries over a 16 game season. Those are two of the more solid players to ever strap it up. Csonka has over 100 carries in a 2 game period.

The guy would be useless for the rest of the season and more likely the rest of his career.

2 game period = multiple 16 game seasons. good point.

Actually it only took ONE 400 carry season for each of these backs to be useless. Considering Csonka got a 1/4th of that over a 2 game span multiplies the risk greatly.

Thanks for the props.

Originally posted by vgaff
It's not about a nerf it's about exploiting the fact that there are no injuries or residual effects of overuse.




The same exploit is available to your team, lord knows ya'll took advantage of the power back exploit in S7. How many times did Shonn Greene bail out the Navs after breaking multiple tackles in the backfield that should have been negative plays? Don't hate because we "oneupped" you in the exploit game, STFU and adjust your builds. More stamina, more confidence, more Motiv. Speaker VA, dotcetera.

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Originally posted by xcoach2
Looks like they've been nerfed already. P Backs were way overpowered in S7, the numbers tell no lies. Csonka is avg'ing 2 yards less YPC in S8 (8.6 to 6.6), Shonn Greene is down from 7.3 YPC to 4.8. The power back issue was brought in S7 and there were those (including myself, Vegas) that were accused of making excuses. So, STFU and take your medicine you whiny bitches. Shit' didn't get out of hand until MEM went out and got the best P back in the game, now the cry babies are in full force including *sigh* bhall, And lol at HHW for crying about a running game exploit, that's some funny shit. Csonka has like 70+ stamina & 60+ confidence, you whiners need to get take you medicine and adjust your builds.

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