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Honestly, where I see your argument (that due to his teammates' complete suck, he HAS to commit more plays than another LB with comparable credentials) FA, still we have no fair way to rate players without some of these stats.

If anything, the fact that he makes all these plays is MORE reason to all star him.

Any way we look at it, your standards for rating aren't his. It's an argument over semantics.

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Originally posted by Falhawk
I'd say that cover positions, like CB/FS/SS, would be the toughest to judge

the CB with the highest # of tackles is the one how allowed the most completions...


PD's are a good stat but how do you take into account someone who's coverage is so great that the QB never throws at them?

CBs with tackles is not necessarily a bad thing. There are plays they make in the running game or where there is a catch underneath where they come up to make the tackle.

Case in point:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=2927709

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=2926261

His stats are low because the other team almost never throws to the guy he covers. The #2 CB on that team gets a lot more PDs and INTs because the QB is forced to throw to his receiver more.

Originally posted by cajik
Originally posted by Falhawk

I'd say that cover positions, like CB/FS/SS, would be the toughest to judge

the CB with the highest # of tackles is the one how allowed the most completions...


PD's are a good stat but how do you take into account someone who's coverage is so great that the QB never throws at them?

CBs with tackles is not necessarily a bad thing. There are plays they make in the running game or where there is a catch underneath where they come up to make the tackle.

Case in point:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=2927709

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=2926261

His stats are low because the other team almost never throws to the guy he covers. The #2 CB on that team gets a lot more PDs and INTs because the QB is forced to throw to his receiver more.


yeah I dig what you're saying. i've got a cb as well. his coverage is great and he never gets thrown at.

Tackles are good but if your guy is making 10 tackles 1 PD per game I think you'd want to work on deflection etc


also, why did that HB just stop....he needs to work on confidence

I have no idea why the HB just stopped, maybe he fell over?

But yea in general a high volume of tackles is probably not a good thing for a CB.

Crossdout your guy is an all-star despite what the forest mushroom has to say. You are the leader of your defense the stats say it. Every team has their stud and you are your teams stud some poeple don't realize that and try and say other wise. You will get your trophey at the end of the year for most tackles maybe not a championship ring but a nice recogniztion of your players dominance.



Falhawk I am the CB with the most tackles but I wouldn't say I allow the most completions. of my 15 tackle game 11 or 12 of those tackles came from coming up on the run or a dump pass to the running back. Well over 50% of my tackles this season come from me making a play on the outside runs. I have also only givin up one touchdown this season. Last game I had 6 tackles and a ff 4 of those tackles were on run plays as well. But still I do allow completions (I just wouldn't say the most) but I keep all the plays infront of me just watch the play by plays.


edit: out of my 92 tackles 44 of them have been on run plays and I didn't bother to count passes to the HB out of the backfield where I came up and made play or tackles where a teammate misses his guy and I get the tackle.

Yeah, CB is one of the toughest, unless you go through and see where he got all those tackles you don't really know if he is letting recievers get the ball then tackling them, or if those tackles are coming from the running game or even special teams.

CB Baron The Dawg of the Maryland Predators http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=309434 has 40 tackles, 3 INTs, 1 FFum and 26 PDs over 8 games this season. If he were able to play a full season, he'd be on pace for 80 tackles, 6 INTs, 2 FFum and 52 PDs.

40 tackles seems like a lot for a CB only half way through the season, seems like maybe he's letting the reciever get the ball too often. But this is why CBs are so hard to judge, only 13 of those tackles came from the WR he was covering. 27 of those tackles came on special teams, running plays or tackling somebody else's WR or TE.

Maybe they need a stat like "completions allowed" to help judge CBs.

I'd check CB Raekwon Jackson to see as well, but first of all, 92 tackles is way too many to go through and see how they were accumulated. Second, teams overwhelmingly run against the Glastonbury Knights. Most teams run 3 out of every 5 plays against them, even 2 out of every 3 plays sometimes. So I'm pretty sure the majority of those tackles came on running or special teams plays.

This is also why judging a player on how his team does is important for determining All-Stars as well. Raekwon Jackson wouldn't get all those tackles if the Knights' offense could stay on the field. Not to take away from Raekwon Jackson accomplishments though, 92 tackles is great, and only 2 missed tackles, on mostly running plays, he is doing something right.

To be honest woahtuff I would trade all those tackles away for just one more in the W column

To add I play opposite of Dub, he is a great player who set his tactis perfectly to the team he's facing. He deserves all the awards coming to him.

Pimp Nerd looks like he should be in the running for a Most improved or a...2nd half of the season allstar

Of course, I'm going to nominate my man, Justin Harris for the CB Position.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=30061

He's got 61 tackles so far on the year and if you look in to the games, there was only one game, where I accidentally switched his coverage to Medium, where the majority of his tackles came from the man he was covering.

He also has 4 INTs and 30 pass deflections, already more than last year.

Not to mention he's been a demon as a Returner, which he doesnt do much.

Originally posted by woahtuff
I'd check CB Raekwon Jackson to see as well, but first of all, 92 tackles is way too many to go through and see how they were accumulated. Second, teams overwhelmingly run against the Glastonbury Knights. Most teams run 3 out of every 5 plays against them, even 2 out of every 3 plays sometimes. So I'm pretty sure the majority of those tackles came on running or special teams plays.

This is also why judging a player on how his team does is important for determining All-Stars as well. Raekwon Jackson wouldn't get all those tackles if the Knights' offense could stay on the field. Not to take away from Raekwon Jackson accomplishments though, 92 tackles is great, and only 2 missed tackles, on mostly running plays, he is doing something right.

I have a serious problem with this statement and hope that is not the criteria you use for all players because with that type of thinking you should just nominate Monarchs and Woodridge players. A players season should not be discounted because his team has not done well. Raekwon now has 108 tackles and only 3 misses, 4 int's and 2 FF. He is somehow lodged at the top of the league in tackles between a mass of LB's and a CPU safety somehow (Kansas Jayhawks) As coach of the Knights I want to stress that the players on my team who stuck with this organization during our turmoil in the beginning of the season should not be punished because the team is on a rebuilding season. He was without a doubt one of the strongest corners in the league this season so do not penalize him because our offense could not stay on the field.

Just to follow up with everyones comments and stuff...i havent read any of them besides like maybe the 1st page and this one right above me...I dont go by any of your nominations and I dont care what anyone thinks about your own players or players on your team. And I also dont care about any player in the alpha division since, when i make the updated All Star Team at the end of the season, it will only be for Zeta like the midseason one i made. I go by what I think and who i think deserves to be on the team.

Originally posted by coreyls18
Just to follow up with everyones comments and stuff...i havent read any of them besides like maybe the 1st page and this one right above me...I dont go by any of your nominations and I dont care what anyone thinks about your own players or players on your team. And I also dont care about any player in the alpha division since, when i make the updated All Star Team at the end of the season, it will only be for Zeta like the midseason one i made. I go by what I think and who i think deserves to be on the team.

Understandable, however if some one makes a Alpha All-Star Team they know where to look for some ideas for players. Plus you didn't make the post so don't assume that people are nomitnating players here just for you. Your not the only one who can make an all-star team, but you might just have accidentally posted in the wrong forum I don't know.