Warrior General Games

Originally posted by RAPB
So even slower and less agile? gosh... get away.

you would think so because you are an average builder. that statement proves it.

I can safely say that high vision works for the SS position. I've build my SS with that focus from Season 1 Day 0, and he's put up numbers every season (first six on the Pushovers in USA Pro, and this season in SA Pro), and made plays other strong safeties couldn't on a routine basis.

There are multiple ways to build successful players though, so I don't understand the need to feel your way is the only way, but if that's what floats your boat.

So 90 speed, 75 agility to beat? Is that your call?

b.t.w.: the last post was just your SS making the tackle on the HB screen. That's usual play for the SS if in cover 2. How does the speed of the CB matter?

Originally posted by Asheme
I can safely say that high vision works for the SS position. I've build my SS with that focus from Season 1 Day 0, and he's put up numbers every season (first six on the Pushovers in USA Pro, and this season in SA Pro), and made plays other strong safeties couldn't on a routine basis.

There are multiple ways to build successful players though, so I don't understand the need to feel your way is the only way, but if that's what floats your boat.

Im not really saying vision isn't good for a S.S. i like vision for a S.S. I am not saying my way is the best way. I am talking about vision only.
I'm just trying to say I don't think it's worth it beyond the cap, and some people on here sacrifice speed agility str, and more important attributes to get vision up to 70 or 80. That's nuts.

Originally posted by RAPB
So 90 speed, 75 agility to beat? Is that your call?

b.t.w.: the last post was just your SS making the tackle on the HB screen. That's usual play for the SS if in cover 2. How does the speed of the CB matter?

I'm kinda getting tired of spelling everything out for you. but I will yet again. You see the corner right? he is much closer to the play right? Yet my S.S. who is much farther away, actually gets there first and makes the play. I hope that helps.

So you're backing out - as I expected. Have fun playing AA while it lasts.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
these are plays from today's game.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310755&pbp_id=11719450

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310755&pbp_id=11721087

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310755&pbp_id=11722017

I think we could both be in agreement that vision definitely helps making these plays right? ya well it's 50.

how's that for reaction time almost as far as possible from the play, making the play?

I won't change my mind. People are nuts with their vision.

With higher vision you'd react sooner. Look, I'm not saying anything negative about your build. There are multiple ways to build successful Strong Safeties. Your dude is designed for your defense as well. Not saying you NEED more vision because your build is predicated on speed. But I've definitely seen higher speed guys react a few ticks slower as a result of lower vision in higher leagues.

To reiterate, I'm not saying anything about your player's build. He does very well. All I'm saying is that more vision would definitely increase reaction time, Whether an increased reaction time is worth more than more speed, agility, or other attributes is up to you and your direction. But to outright dismiss raising it above 50 for all seems pretty ridiculous, imo. It's all about the style of player you want. If everyone creates a super fast blitzing SS, it becomes easier to create offenses to beat that 1 style, as well. Diversity is good.

Originally posted by DanNava
With higher vision you'd react sooner. Look, I'm not saying anything negative about your build. There are multiple ways to build successful Strong Safeties. Your dude is designed for your defense as well. Not saying you NEED more vision because your build is predicated on speed. But I've definitely seen higher speed guys react a few ticks slower as a result of lower vision in higher leagues.

To reiterate, I'm not saying anything about your player's build. He does very well. All I'm saying is that more vision would definitely increase reaction time, Whether an increased reaction time is worth more than more speed, agility, or other attributes is up to you and your direction. But to outright dismiss raising it above 50 for all seems pretty ridiculous, imo. It's all about the style of player you want. If everyone creates a super fast blitzing SS, it becomes easier to create offenses to beat that 1 style, as well. Diversity is good.

I am definitely on board with this theory. like I said next year I am holding off on the boosts till we play a few games in AAA. If he is still playing well, I won't see a point in raising vision. IF we then get promoted to PRO he might need more vision. I am not totally against vision. Never have been. But right now I don't see a point to bring it past the first cap. I will also be the first to admit I am wrong about it, if I decide to go more vision when I boost him next season.

He also plays on power tackle, plays more in the run support, and plays on run focus. He is great in run support, but has been just as reliable all season in cover 2.

But you're right. I am not building a cookie cutter at all. I wanted him to be a hard hitting S.S. that could play the pass well. and he does that. instead of 61 vision I chose to leave it capped and go with 61 str.

One thing vision is good for is getting a jump at the snap:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12455839
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12457234

went with football genius just to let you all know

Originally posted by Asheme
One thing vision is good for is getting a jump at the snap:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12455839
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12457234

woo pee do those plays show nothing for vision. MY guy can do the same thing with 49 vision.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310778&pbp_id=12447856

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310778&pbp_id=12448456

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310778&pbp_id=12449633

Originally posted by Cactus71
went with football genius just to let you all know

hahaha

Yea. I have 15 in zone specialist, 10 in long reach, and i just put 1 in sure tackler, but am wondering if i really want to do that more. Thinking of putting all future vet points into one of the attribute boosting ones.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
woo pee do those plays show nothing for vision. MY guy can do the same thing with 49 vision.
You really can't see the difference between these two plays?:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310778&pbp_id=12448456
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12457234

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by UnderDogs

woo pee do those plays show nothing for vision. MY guy can do the same thing with 49 vision.
You really can't see the difference between these two plays?:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310778&pbp_id=12448456
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=292310&pbp_id=12457234



AS FAR AS THE SNAP JUMP GOES? no! I thought that's what we were talking about.
but go ahead and act like that pass deflection makes all the difference, when I can dig up many plays that look exactly like that with p.d's at the line. my guy happened to miss the p.d. there, it happens.

If you can't see the difference on that snap jump, you're blind. Asheme's guy reacts right as the ball is snapped, your guy waits a few ticks before he gets moving.

I think speed and agility are king in GLB. Vision will surely help a safety with a bunch of things, but overall I think speed and agility are worth more. Agility is perhaps undervalued for DBs who have to change directions quickly. I've noticed quite often how DBs with a ton of speed get beat because the WR turns or comes back for the ball and the DB can't start/stop quickly enough to get back and make the PD.