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I think the feelings of the OP is shared by a lot of agents right now. And although we see this type of posts every season, there are a lot more this season. And I for one, share the same feelings and understand/agree with the feelings of the OP.

I have been adjusting and adapting to the changes to GLB each season, and I'm not going to quit GLB, not yet. But I am getting tired of the ever ending nerfing and incomplete testing. Everyone on defense is getting their tackling up right now and most of the RBs are working on strength, just like every OT that got their agility/speed up, or DT who worked on agility. But you know what? Power backs will be nerfed eventually, next season if not later this season.

Everyone has a threshold on these changes, I think more and more people are hitting their threshold right now and many are getting fed up. CoachV and some others just have higher threshold, but eventually they will be fed up as well.

I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.

Let's face it -- powerbacks drooled when they saw Tenacious and Bruiser VA's this season, right? How many linebackers said, "Sure Tackler VA is clearly more valuable than Track Star VA?" The problem continues to be that people view speed as a never-ending source of goodness while tackling and strength are viewed as an inconvenience.

I think people need to realize that each season player builds evolve and here in Season 7 we're all seeing some things that are vastly different than what we saw in Season 4. Then again, none of us have ever had a player in his 7th season of development so it was difficult to know what to expect. Some of the perceived berfs are really a product of player evolution - no more, no less.

I'm far from a GLB/Bort apologist but I don't think it was unforeseeable that we would reach a point in gameplay evolution where your dot would consistently miss tackles with only 50-60 in what most people consider to be a critical attribute for a defensive player IRL.

Originally posted by ddingo
I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.


Yeah, but that's only because everyone wants to win. How many people would stick to their "shitty" builds and wait for Bort to nerf other builds so their builds can be flavor of the month? If builds are proven to be successful (albeit temporarily before Bort nerfs them), people are going to mimic it. Who in their right mind would mimic failures?

Originally posted by datongw
Originally posted by ddingo

I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.


Yeah, but that's only because everyone wants to win. How many people would stick to their "shitty" builds and wait for Bort to nerf other builds so their builds can be flavor of the month? If builds are proven to be successful (albeit temporarily before Bort nerfs them), people are going to mimic it. Who in their right mind would mimic failures?

Me

Originally posted by ddingo

I don't think it was unforeseeable that we would reach a point in gameplay evolution where your dot would consistently miss tackles with only 50-60 in what most people consider to be a critical attribute for a defensive player IRL.

This, I already thought last season that 50 strength and 50 tackling were necessities for LBs with 55/55 being even better. This season it took its natural progression and now the minimum should be 55/55 with 60/60 being ideal.

I told this to a couple teams I was on last season already, those that didn't listen...are struggling pretty badly against Power HBs

Elusive backs aren't as good now. Why? Because every defender has like 90 speed and 70 agility with low tackling and strength. It's ridiculous. Then finally strong HBs are on the rise and instead of defenses having to adjust to it, they want a nerf. I really hope Bort does nothing. This will force defenders to focus more on strength and tackling instead of speed and agility. Then finally maybe an elusive back will be able to dominate.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Elusive backs aren't as good now. Why? Because every defender has like 90 speed and 70 agility with low tackling and strength. It's ridiculous. Then finally strong HBs are on the rise and instead of defenses having to adjust to it, they want a nerf. I really hope Bort does nothing. This will force defenders to focus more on strength and tackling instead of speed and agility. Then finally maybe an elusive back will be able to dominate.

I don't have a problems with power backs breaking tackles but breaking multiple tackles on one play and then running away from LB or S with 90+ speed is getting a little ridiculous.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=288642&pbp_id=3317894

I don't like to complain about this game and I think HHW have made adjustments every season to stay competitive... believe it or not we actually built this team initially as a passing team... but I can totally relate to people who are getting tired of these drastic changes... i think bort needs to do more testing before implementing major changes. change is good and necessary but it really needs to be better controlled and implemented.

The problem is defenses have to have the 90 speed to stop the elusive backs...but they also have to have very high strength and tackling to stop power backs since that is impossible yet when keeping other stats at a reasonable lvl defenses are fucked... while the offense can just use both types of specialized player the defense can't adjust to whitch type of player they have to defend against... so they either specialize too and get owned by on of the backs or the go balanced and aren't able to stop either.

It is not impossible but it does give the offense a bit of an advantage..

Originally posted by HurricaneWarriors
I don't have a problems with power backs breaking tackles but breaking multiple tackles on one play and then running away from LB or S with 90+ speed is getting a little ridiculous.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=288642&pbp_id=3317894

Yeah, those get pretty annoying. It's one thing to have a guy that runs like Christian Okoye, but that's like Christian Okoye driving a truck down the field.


Originally posted by ddingo

Let's face it -- powerbacks drooled when they saw Tenacious and Bruiser VA's this season, right? How many linebackers said, "Sure Tackler VA is clearly more valuable than Track Star VA?" The problem continues to be that people view speed as a never-ending source of goodness while tackling and strength are viewed as an inconvenience.

I've got 13 in Sure Tackler for my guy and he's still missed 4 tackles this year (compared to 6 in 100+ opportunities last season). I also have a decent amount put into Aura of Intimidation which helped against power backs in previous seasons.

Originally posted by Vegas_Bronco
Originally posted by coachviking

You teams tackling builds SUCK

It's not Power backs it's your team and tactics

Only 4 teams in USA PRO have more missed tackles than you GUESS WHAT they are all either 100% CPU or GUTTED.

/thread

We've been gutted all season long by powerbacks - cut us some slack

CV, Have you paid for L48 equipment for your team yet?



To answer your question Yes, I have paid for level 48 equpment for my level 48s

Some quick numbers on your team. OFG is averaging 10 BTs per game, they had 33 against you. Washington is averaging 13 per game, they had 22 against you. Oralando is averaging 12 per game you gave them 15. Finally, Rhode Islad is averaging 10 per game and you gave them 18.

From these numbers the problem seems to lie with your team being unable to tackle as opposed to the power backs being "over-powered".

I don't have a problem with you and I think you have put together a solid squad. My problem is everytime someones team has a build problem they start whinning for a "nerf". Maybe you guys ingnored tackling for too long and now it's biting you in the ass.

Originally posted by datongw
Originally posted by ddingo

I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.


Yeah, but that's only because everyone wants to win. How many people would stick to their "shitty" builds and wait for Bort to nerf other builds so their builds can be flavor of the month? If builds are proven to be successful (albeit temporarily before Bort nerfs them), people are going to mimic it. Who in their right mind would mimic failures?

C'mon. I'm not suggesting you mimic failures. That much should be obvious. OTOH, I am just tired of the idea that only one build can work for each position. Clearly that is NOT the case. Lincoln has two guys that routinely break 10+ tackles in a game and they have significantly different builds which accomplish similar results on the field.

Smart player building will always give your player an opportunity to play somewhere. Some teams might favor a hyperagility, hyperspeed DE on the strongside of the formation but other teams might like a guy with great strength who allows the LB's to close on the play without getting eaten up by blockers. Some teams want a SS who can lay the wood while others want a guy who is like another CB on the field. Neither build is wrong. The problem is created when the SS dot that is supposed to be a vicious headhunter decides that his build is broken after only 5 seasons of development so he starts chasing another build type.

Originally posted by HurricaneWarriors

I don't have a problems with power backs breaking tackles but breaking multiple tackles on one play and then running away from LB or S with 90+ speed is getting a little ridiculous.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=288642&pbp_id=3317894

I see a RB running away from a DT at the end of that play. The speed players either missed the tackle or were successfully blocked.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my point was simple. I no longer care what is out of balance. The lesson I've picked up on since I've been playing this game is that something always will be, and Bort's nerfs only make it worse. When Flames started the speed craze, I build CBs to handle speedy WRs. The season in AAA when Yell was toasting every WR out there with pump and head fake & juke routes, I modified my guys to get faked less. When teams were running the ball down the D's throats, I increased str along the DL. The list goes on and on and on and on and on. Heck, even if Bort does nothing, with this many players in the game, someone will try something seemingly ridiculous, like having 120 in confidence for a WR and the WR will catch every ball thrown his way...Until the guys on D figure out that 65 confidence is good enough to nullify that advantage. Something will ALWAYS be out of balance, it's the nature of the game and I can live with that.

What I'm having an extremely hard time living with is when Bort "fixes" build related things. I have no doubt in my mind that my OTs would have done OK this season, if Bort hadn't nerfed the DEs. Still, he just had to "fix" things, and has in turn ruined the builds of many players this season. Here's an even better example. Anyone remember him "fixing" over powered power backs several seasons ago? First, he fixed them so they were over powered. Then he fixed them so they weren't. They went from great to absolutely worthless in a blink of an eye. So, any player that had a PB that they either didn't want to retire or watch stink up the field for 2-3 seasons starting putting more speed & agility into them, just so they could be marginal, instead of horrible. Now, he has fixed them again so they're "over powered". If he'd just left them the hell alone the 1st time, Ds would have adjusted, power backs would have settled at a decent lvl and we wouldn't be chasing this around in circles again. Instead, he "fixes" them and here we are chasing our tails again. Leave builds alone already, let us adjust on our own and stop ruining builds every season. If Bort would do that, I'd be thrilled.

Originally posted by ddingo
Originally posted by datongw

Originally posted by ddingo


I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.


Yeah, but that's only because everyone wants to win. How many people would stick to their "shitty" builds and wait for Bort to nerf other builds so their builds can be flavor of the month? If builds are proven to be successful (albeit temporarily before Bort nerfs them), people are going to mimic it. Who in their right mind would mimic failures?

C'mon. I'm not suggesting you mimic failures. That much should be obvious. OTOH, I am just tired of the idea that only one build can work for each position. Clearly that is NOT the case. Lincoln has two guys that routinely break 10+ tackles in a game and they have significantly different builds which accomplish similar results on the field.

Smart player building will always give your player an opportunity to play somewhere. Some teams might favor a hyperagility, hyperspeed DE on the strongside of the formation but other teams might like a guy with great strength who allows the LB's to close on the play without getting eaten up by blockers. Some teams want a SS who can lay the wood while others want a guy who is like another CB on the field. Neither build is wrong. The problem is created when the SS dot that is supposed to be a vicious headhunter decides that his build is broken after only 5 seasons of development so he starts chasing another build type.

Who said only one build can work for each position? I certainly didn't.

I have DEs that were started off as strength builds, but switched them to agility builds after 3-4 seasons. Mimicking? Maybe. But I'd like to think I'm adapting.

Besides, what is wrong with mimicking the most dominating builds in the game? I'm pretty sure everyone rather have a dominating build rather than an average one. I certainly didn't create players with the goal of making them "average".

Originally posted by datongw
Originally posted by ddingo

Originally posted by datongw


Originally posted by ddingo



I also understand the feelings of the OP but the GLB problem is the attempt to play follow the leader. People continue to chase the build of the most recent dominant player rather than sticking with the original design plan for their dot.


Yeah, but that's only because everyone wants to win. How many people would stick to their "shitty" builds and wait for Bort to nerf other builds so their builds can be flavor of the month? If builds are proven to be successful (albeit temporarily before Bort nerfs them), people are going to mimic it. Who in their right mind would mimic failures?

C'mon. I'm not suggesting you mimic failures. That much should be obvious. OTOH, I am just tired of the idea that only one build can work for each position. Clearly that is NOT the case. Lincoln has two guys that routinely break 10+ tackles in a game and they have significantly different builds which accomplish similar results on the field.

Smart player building will always give your player an opportunity to play somewhere. Some teams might favor a hyperagility, hyperspeed DE on the strongside of the formation but other teams might like a guy with great strength who allows the LB's to close on the play without getting eaten up by blockers. Some teams want a SS who can lay the wood while others want a guy who is like another CB on the field. Neither build is wrong. The problem is created when the SS dot that is supposed to be a vicious headhunter decides that his build is broken after only 5 seasons of development so he starts chasing another build type.

Who said only one build can work for each position? I certainly didn't.

I have DEs that were started off as strength builds, but switched them to agility builds after 3-4 seasons. Mimicking? Maybe. But I'd like to think I'm adapting.

Besides, what is wrong with mimicking the most dominating builds in the game? I'm pretty sure everyone rather have a dominating build rather than an average one. I certainly didn't create players with the goal of making them "average".

Sounds a lot like my DT. It's another thing that gripes me about this game. Balance of players doesnt work really well. It seems you need to be really dominate with just 1-2 attributes than being very good at everything.