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Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
Originally posted by onetime

I said it was a case for libel, I never said that it was a criminal act.

I wasn't saying you did. There is no such thing as criminal libel in the US. Civil libel cases still require the person who is the subject of an alledged libellous statement to prove that the statement is false.

you can argue this until your blue in the face.. what Im saying to you is that if the case were to be presented it would be a libel case...

and actually there are a number of criminal libel cases.. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-craigslist-libel4-2008dec04,0,2332954.story this is just one of them...

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
Originally posted by onetime

Now Im not gonna go back and read your thread were the quote was made but im going to assume that it was not the opening post and made in response to another post which would imply you were speaking to either the originator of the thread or another person using the forum. No one in there right mind would believe a defense were you claim you were speaking to a circle....

It's in the opening post of this thread.

Even with that being the case... no one in there right mind is going to believe you posted a comment in a public forum that was meant for a circle.. and that it was not targeted or meant for the humans representing those circles.

But I will add that it would help your case in court that it was the opening post of the thread. But I still dont believe that a judge would believe the argument you were speaking to a digital signature.

Originally posted by onetime
But I still dont believe that a judge would believe the argument you were speaking to a digital signature.

"Mods have, of course, stalled into looking into the situation, saying they'd look into things, then not responding after a while. We'll just have to settle this on the field.

I want this real bad. You bastards are going down."

You already know I'm not making a factual claim about anyone's lineage here, but I'll humor you. I'm already talking about the fictional place of "the field" here. Then, I say "you bastards" (subject) "are going down" (verb+prep phrase acting as a modal). In my roleplaying as a coach for the Chips, I am saying the "bastards" will be defeated.

The dots were a stand in for the fictional players. Rather than say "the players" and risk the confusion--the term for a human who plays the game and the term for a fictional role as someone who engages in football (and is represented here by a dot) is the same (player)--I used the representation of that fictional character as the dot instead. I think that's fair.

And just for fun: http://www.out-law.com/page-9330

Judgment ruling that bulletin board comments (against actual people, of course) are slander, not libel. Huh, interesting.

yes but again.. you are posting in a public forum, the intent was for the opposing team to read it.. If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"... But you did not you said you. implying that you are speaking to a person.. And again this is purly conjecture, a possible argument to your defense, The point of the whole argument was wether or not it was a libel statment and I honestly believe you have no defense at all as to wether it was libel. Your arguement on whom you were refering to was a very valid point but not sure it would work, but it is a very strong argument.. i would conceed its possible that your statement was broad enough that no one would be able to be singled out. but the other side to that is a slew of libel cases, considering the implied cheating and bastard reference..

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
And just for fun: http://www.out-law.com/page-9330

Judgment ruling that bulletin board comments are slander, not libel. Huh, interesting.

I can understand this since it is not a "circculated" media...

Originally posted by onetime
yes but again.. you are posting in a public forum, the intent was for the opposing team to read it.. If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"... But you did not you said you. implying that you are speaking to a person.. And again this is purly conjecture, a possible argument to your defense, The point of the whole argument was wether or not it was a libel statment and I honestly believe you have no defense at all as to wether it was libel. Your arguement on whom you were refering to was a very valid point but not sure it would work, but it is a very strong argument.. i would conceed its possible that your statement was broad enough that no one would be able to be singled out. but the other side to that is a slew of libel cases, considering the implied cheating and bastard reference..
The thing is. I don't NEED a case. Someone has to prove that I was making the statement about him. Then he has to prove that was intended as a statement of fact (as firmly held opinions are protected). Then he has to prove it was intended to harm his character and his character was quantifiably (as this is slander) harmed. Then he has to prove the statement could be measured as true or false. Then he has to prove it is, in fact, false (who knows, maybe it was true?).

All these questions fall down. I wasn't directing it at a living person. I wasn't stating any individual lacked a father, and it was my firmly held opinion that the fictional characters were deserving of the word when used as a general explitive. I surely did not mean any harm by it, especially in any measuable and quantifiable way, nor could quantifiable harm to one's reputation come to an anonymous individual going by a pseudonym online. Bastard, when the meaning I used, and any reasonable person would agree that I meant it as a general explitive instead of a statement of lineage, is non-measuable, as it is not a factual statement.

If any lawyer was crazy enough to take such a case, he--and the case--would be thrown out in five minutes.

Also for fun: Say you're playing counterstrike under an alias. Someone kills you as you turn a corner. You type "You bastard!"

Think that wins a slander case?

(And that's way more clear-cut than this instance).

Originally posted by onetime
If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"
Nope. As I said, I was roleplaying the part of a coach. I was talking smack. I was pretending to be somebody in a fictional realm who was talking smack about make-believe people within that realm.

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
"You bastards are going down."

Who, exactly, am I calling bastards here? I think the logical assumption here would be the team. Who's gonna stand up among the dot-race avatars to prove that he's not a bastard? The circle with a C? The circle with a TE?

The truth or falsehood of the lineage of a circle representing a fictional player cannot be proven. They can be neither bastards nor non-bastards. Mickey Mouse cannot be defamed; there can be no libel of a fictional character. QED.



OMFG, I think I speak for the rest of this league when I tell you to STFU! There's a legal definition, sure, but there's also the every day version and pesonal CODES OF ETHICS (and you kinda broke them). How do you think ppl will react when you call people "bastards" without CONCRETE proof? Hmm? Gawdddd, u just don't get it...

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
Originally posted by onetime

yes but again.. you are posting in a public forum, the intent was for the opposing team to read it.. If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"... But you did not you said you. implying that you are speaking to a person.. And again this is purly conjecture, a possible argument to your defense, The point of the whole argument was wether or not it was a libel statment and I honestly believe you have no defense at all as to wether it was libel. Your arguement on whom you were refering to was a very valid point but not sure it would work, but it is a very strong argument.. i would conceed its possible that your statement was broad enough that no one would be able to be singled out. but the other side to that is a slew of libel cases, considering the implied cheating and bastard reference..


I wasn't directing it at a living person.
.

Bullshit you weren't directing it at a living person or persons (we don't know because there IS no concrete proof).

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
Originally posted by onetime

If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"
Nope. As I said, I was roleplaying the part of a coach. I was talking smack. I was pretending to be somebody in a fictional realm who was talking smack about make-believe people within that realm.

First off, that's BS. You were attacking the Dawgs and their owner. Honestly, if you were speaking to your team you would have done it on the team forum, not the public one so that everyone could see it (including your target/s)Second, you're missing the point. It's not about saying "bastard" to another individual but rather about the intent and use of the word and direction you were sending it (towards real-life people with avatars) while making statements about their team that have NO backing in PROOF (just speculation). How is that NOT wrong on your part? If it's not criminal, than it's a douche move on your part. Fair statement? And your counterstrike reference... please!!!

Originally posted by seancul55
Originally posted by Daedalus Finch

Originally posted by onetime


If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"
Nope. As I said, I was roleplaying the part of a coach. I was talking smack. I was pretending to be somebody in a fictional realm who was talking smack about make-believe people within that realm.

First off, that's BS. You were attacking the Dawgs and their owner. Honestly, if you were speaking to your team you would have done it on the team forum, not the public one so that everyone could see it (including your target/s)Second, you're missing the point. It's not about saying "bastard" to another individual but rather about the intent and use of the word and direction you were sending it (towards real-life people with avatars) while making statements about their team that have NO backing in PROOF (just speculation). How is that NOT wrong on your part? If it's not criminal, than it's a douche move on your part. Fair statement? And your counterstrike reference... please!!!

There's plenty of evidence. The team has duplicate accounts. The owner has some manner of negligence, at the least. And while I do feel some animosity, the use of bastards here wasn't meant as an insult. It was smack talk. With all the smack you've talked to me, you should understand. I'm entitled to my opinions, and you don't have to read them. You believe I'm a douche (and, in fact, I am), and I believe you're a jerk who's just trying to pick a fight you think you can win.

Your code of ethics is pretty Victorian if using the term "bastard" is an egregious violation.

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch
Originally posted by seancul55

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch


Originally posted by onetime



If you were speaking as a representative you would have said "those"
Nope. As I said, I was roleplaying the part of a coach. I was talking smack. I was pretending to be somebody in a fictional realm who was talking smack about make-believe people within that realm.

First off, that's BS. You were attacking the Dawgs and their owner. Honestly, if you were speaking to your team you would have done it on the team forum, not the public one so that everyone could see it (including your target/s)Second, you're missing the point. It's not about saying "bastard" to another individual but rather about the intent and use of the word and direction you were sending it (towards real-life people with avatars) while making statements about their team that have NO backing in PROOF (just speculation). How is that NOT wrong on your part? If it's not criminal, than it's a douche move on your part. Fair statement? And your counterstrike reference... please!!!

There's plenty of evidence. The team has duplicate accounts. The owner has some manner of negligence, at the least. And while I do feel some animosity, the use of bastards here wasn't meant as an insult. It was smack talk. With all the smack you've talked to me, you should understand. I'm entitled to my opinions, and you don't have to read them. You believe I'm a douche (and, in fact, I am), and I believe you're a jerk who's just trying to pick a fight you think you can win.

Your code of ethics is pretty Victorian if using the term "bastard" is an egregious violation.

Hahaha, I said attacking people for no reason/no CONCRETE PROOF is a "douche move" on your part, but maybe not necessarily that you yourself are a douche, just some of your actions. I believe that you've gone too far (indeed, I have as well) in your efforts to be a GLB vigilante. Further more, when have I ever talked "smack talk" about your team? Think you could show me the post? And clearly, I'm not simply upset with your use of the word "bastard" (I've heard and said worse), but rather I'm upset with how you personally attack ppl on message boards for a game that is supposed to be fun with no actual proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT (The American way).

I admit I was wrong to freak out a bit in the past three posts I made (I'll leave them up and not edit them so that ppl can see them and understand that I really am sorry), but your poisoning of the league forums needs to stop. We had a 'HAPPY' forum before this. I'm sorry to everybody about this and hope that you don't think less of me for getting to involved in this crap.

At this point, this is my final post on this thread or any other that you post about the Q Dawgs. Write whatever you want, but know that I won't respond (and neither will anyone else, I hope). Enjoy...

Originally posted by Daedalus Finch

There's plenty of evidence. The team has duplicate accounts.

Your Google Law degree doesn't mean dick in the land of GLB. The accounts may look similar and suspicious but what other evidence is there? You sent it to support. If the accounts would have matched, they would have been banned.

Nobody cared when you posted this in the main GLB forum when you "happened to notice while scouting them". Nobody cared when you posted it in here. It appears that even today, nobody cares. Here's a quote from Heartbreak Ridge for you: "Don't go away mad...just, just go away."