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Originally posted by pantherz77
And, confidence's sole purpose it to reduce morale hits, so not really sure what the point of this thread is.

OK, so what does morale affect?

Originally posted by drakeborn
Originally posted by pantherz77

And, confidence's sole purpose it to reduce morale hits, so not really sure what the point of this thread is.

OK, so what does morale affect?



Your other skills and morale effecting SAs.

Originally posted by drakeborn
Originally posted by pantherz77

And, confidence's sole purpose it to reduce morale hits, so not really sure what the point of this thread is.

OK, so what does morale affect?



Please read this link in ref. to moral.

http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Morale

and this taken from the attributes description list for confidence.

Confidence

Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break

To sum this up, because its really not that hard to understand. A great example of confidence as it relates to the LB can be seen throughout the career of Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens. This guy talks so much smack and delivers but misses as well (see past film of Eddie George totally running him over to secure a Post season win for the Titans on national TV). Yet he comes back and again and again.

Does no one read the first post? This is what I asked:

Originally posted by Viscount
I know that higher confidence lessens the amount of morale lost after a bad play such as a missed tackle, but what other benefits are there from it?

Originally posted by Viscount
Does no one read the first post? This is what I asked:

Originally posted by Viscount

I know that higher confidence lessens the amount of morale lost after a bad play such as a missed tackle, but what other benefits are there from it?

SAs if you go that route. Reducing morale hits is basically the only worthwhile product of confidence. To what extent morale effects have on a player is unknown, so no one can tell you the exact importance of it. This is kind of like asking what stamina does for HBs. Nothing more than any other position.

If the posts here really aren't up to par for you, then the FAQ's/Newbies forum may provide more useful information.

Originally posted by wallysmith
If the posts here really aren't up to par for you, then the FAQ's/Newbies forum may provide more useful information.

Was that really necessary?

I asked a very simple question as to whether people think confidence effects anything other than morale for an LB such as SAs or anything else in game. In other positions confidence can help more morale, such as for an HB it can help break tackles.

You were getting off topic with your argument about vision, so I was trying to get people back on to my original question. If your first post was all you have to offer to my query in this thread feel free to post elsewhere.

There have been plenty of relevant answers in this thread; you just never chose to respond to any of them. The only posts you replied to were the vision ones, yet you kept on asking about confidence. People tried helping you but you never continued the dialog.

Originally posted by wallysmith
Bort's never specifically stated where it's involved, but he is on record as stating Confidence is the most underrated attribute. It's probably handled similar to "Luck" in a lot of RPG's where it has a hand in everything, but isn't the main factor in anything.


Originally posted by wallysmith

To elaborate further, it's also a "momentum" attribute. If it's low, your character's in-game morale takes bigger hits from negative events (fumbling, missed tackles, etc) and gets smaller gains from positive events (breaking tackles, scoring TD's, etc). How it specifically relates to an LB is up for discussion. I would imagine it would be safe to assume though that missing tackles is negative, while forcing turnovers are positives.


Originally posted by kentrol72

Getting back on topic, I too remember Bort talking about Confidence being underrated a few seasons back. It was after he made the adjustment to agility in its relation to speed. Miss tackles & bad plays happen. To keep your player's moral up and for your player to "shrug off" the mistake and focus on making the next play, confidence plays a part. However at that time it was (a round a mid 20 lvl LB) thought that 30ish confidence was enough.

All of those posts are relating to morale, notice what I bolded a few posts above.

There is a bit of misinformation going on here in spite of some attempts to sound overly authoritative.

Confidence does affect things other than morale (which in turn affects attributes) and morale-affecting SAs. How do I know this?

Originally posted by Bort

PP increases the chance of negating the effect of hurries, while confidence is a modifier in how well it works. Neither can increase the QB's throwing, just decrease the effect of the hurry penalty value.

There Bort states that Confidence modifies the intensity of the effect of Pocket Presence on reducing the negative effect of hurries on pass quality.

It is reasonable to assume that this is not the only place Confidence and/or morale has an effect other than modifying attributes or on morale-affecting SAs.

Originally posted by drakeborn
There is a bit of misinformation going on here in spite of some attempts to sound overly authoritative.

Confidence does affect things other than morale (which in turn affects attributes) and morale-affecting SAs. How do I know this?

Originally posted by Bort


PP increases the chance of negating the effect of hurries, while confidence is a modifier in how well it works. Neither can increase the QB's throwing, just decrease the effect of the hurry penalty value.

There Bort states that Confidence modifies the intensity of the effect of Pocket Presence on reducing the negative effect of hurries on pass quality.

It is reasonable to assume that this is not the only place Confidence and/or morale has an effect other than modifying attributes or on morale-affecting SAs.

Confidence effects: Snarl, Aura of INT, Monster Hit, Trash Talk, The Glare, and Big Sack. It helps some more than others, but it's not too hard if you read the description for these SAs. Each of these has something to do with morale hits to opposing players. Are we satisfied yet?

Originally posted by Viscount
All of those posts are relating to morale, notice what I bolded a few posts above.


Originally posted by wallysmith

Bort's never specifically stated where it's involved, but he is on record as stating Confidence is the most underrated attribute. It's probably handled similar to "Luck" in a lot of RPG's where it has a hand in everything, but isn't the main factor in anything.

Drakeborn's post just confirms what I stated very early in this thread. Confidence is involved in everything, it's just a question of how much of an impact it provides. And Bort isn't going to reveal that. With respect to LB's in particular I would imagine it plays a role in the tackle formula. Did your LB miss tackles earlier in the game, or get burned on a long TD? Then this upcoming tackle is going to be more difficult to make, but high confidence will offset the penalty from previous bad plays. I mean, this is all kinda intuitive from everything that was already posted before, but your refusal to even acknowledge those attempts to help leads me to believe that you're only looking for what you want to hear, and don't actually want to discuss this topic.

In any case, my comment about posting this question in the FAQ's/Newbies forum was legitimate. Mods prowl that forum with far more regularity than this one, and I'm sure they have some insight that hasn't yet been provided here. But whatevers, continue being dismissive of people that actually tried to help you, it's cool.

I'm done here.

I already know that confidence affects morale as I said in my first post. I just wanted to know if people thought there are other benefits from high confidence apart from morale.

In regards to drakeborn's post, in that instance confidence helps prevent the QB making a bad pass that could've reduced his morale, in turn affecting his attributes. So could the same be said for LBs, as in could higher confidence help the LB from even missing that first tackle?

Originally posted by Viscount
I already know that confidence affects morale as I said in my first post. I just wanted to know if people thought there are other benefits from high confidence apart from morale.

In regards to drakeborn's post, in that instance confidence helps prevent the QB making a bad pass that could've reduced his morale, in turn affecting his attributes. So could the same be said for LBs, as in could higher confidence help the LB from even missing that first tackle?

I think that could be a reasonable assumption. From drake's quote on Bort, it sounded like confidence is used as a coefficient somewhere in the formula and if that's the case, I can see it being applied universally pretty easily in any calculation in this game. Length of punts, chance of making the tackle, forcing a fumble, avoiding a sack, catching a ball, etc. Just slap on a confidence multiplier at the end of the formula and you're good to go... which makes sense, since in real life a person's confidence really would affect those types of things.

All speculation of course, but yeah... if Bort said it's the most underrated attribute, then he's saying it for a reason.


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