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im not calling it an upset. korb and PPP are both elite teams and it could have gone either way. PPP played a very good game and deserved their victory. But Korb isnt finished yet and theyll both be there in the playoffs.

Korb is a flashier team than PPP, with bigger margins of victory, but they can still be beat, just like anybody else. But PPP's win should definitely put them near the top of the rankings. everyone should be taking them seriously.
 
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Originally posted by Disastermaster
Originally posted by djhoffman99



I don't agree. It's impossible in any game to "plan" for a specific number of anything, but you certainly set your team and individual tactics to create situations that result in sacks, fumbles, INTs, etc. That to me, is planning.

And while I agree 4.5 ypc isn't great, the point was 2.6 ypc doesn't accurately reflect how the running game did.


It is very easy to call an allout blitz almost every play, cause the short passing game is real bad. Donīt know if that has mutch to do with great gameplaning and setting tacticts. For me it is the same like running the strong I offtackle as you only running play. This things are killing the fun of the game for me.

This plays alone tells me how bad the AI is

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=212383&pbp_id=2812270

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=212383&pbp_id=2812610

right now it is easier to complete a pass for 10-15 yards than a short pass of 4-5 yards to a open WR.

But in the end, no one forced us to pass, we could have run all day but we made the decision and pay the price. You played a good game and deserved to win.
You canīt throw 4 interceptions and expect to win a game against a good team.

Maybe we should take the same approach like some other teams and use the same plays over and over and over again



Well, what I meant was, just like in real football, you can either take risks or not. Each OC/DC decides each game how much risk to take and where - in general - to take them. I agree there are still a lot of issues with the AI, but not sure that's ever going to go away, they just switch around. And, we probably would have had more success today with short passes given the amount of time Levi spent on his back...

I'm glad we won, but I can't say I feel very good about the way we played. Good game anyways; we'll see you later in the season hopefully
 
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Originally posted by Zickzack
Been more or less out of the loop the last few days being in hospital with just very sporadic Blackberry access, so these are more guesses rather than anything based on actual scouting, so take it for what it is worth:

Black Watch
London Monarchs
Paris Philharmonic
Woodridge Lumberjacks

London Minotaurs
Chicago Rocks
Stuttgart Nighthawks

Korb Destroyers
Rivals Mainboard Pimps
Stockholm Meatballs
Antwerp Annihilators
Black Forest Mercenaries
Berlin Ballers
Servilla Naranjas
Lyon Dynasty



My thanks goes to ZickZack who was the only one who actually predicted our win today. Appreciate it
 
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Everyone voted against Dinas except one "Mike Rodgers" Thank you!. So I guess Dinas winning was an upset. In the famous words of George Jefferson " We are moving on up! "
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Originally posted by helluin
Scorgasms tapdance all over Antwerp's face.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=212329


The finale of our tapdance routine was awesome in the 4th Q.
 
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Originally posted by sitdown
Everyone voted against Dinas except one "Mike Rodgers" Thank you!. So I guess Dinas winning was an upset. In the famous words of George Jefferson " We are moving on up! "


London Minotaurs feel your pain.
 
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Originally posted by GH-Mongo
Originally posted by sitdown

Everyone voted against Dinas except one "Mike Rodgers" Thank you!. So I guess Dinas winning was an upset. In the famous words of George Jefferson " We are moving on up! "


London Minotaurs feel your pain.


I am with you guys! Our old friends from AAA! Great win today Minotaurs!
 
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OK firstly I dont really care much about PPP, beyond them being part of the league, but, seeing as half your team (And others that dont seem to be connected to you at all?) felt the need to spam my inbox accusing me of 'always hating your team' and 'not giving the promoted teams any respect over the seasons'...

I'll address a few of your insecurities:

Originally posted by djhoffman99

I don't agree. It's impossible in any game to "plan" for a specific number of anything, but you certainly set your team and individual tactics to create situations that result in sacks, fumbles, INTs, etc. That to me, is planning.

And while I agree 4.5 ypc isn't great, the point was 2.6 ypc doesn't accurately reflect how the running game did.



You missed the point of everything I said which was very clear Planning to win a game by gaining 4 INTERCEPTIONS is not a rational possibility.

Therefore when picking the likely winner in the Picks thread, people tend not to include the possibility.

Indeed I agree, you can plan to put players in the best possible position to make a play on the ball, and set them to aggressive for INTs in the hope you get a turnover.

However that is not the tactic of a team who believe they are the favourites in the game, very much the opposite in fact.

But the 4 INTs are a lucky by-product of solid gameplanning. (And you cant argue that fact because Bort has stated that a significant % of the difference in deciding if a INT occurs is entirely dependant on luck (RNG), if not it is a PD.

You can generate more 'chances' but you CANNOT generate INTS.

What your team should be talking about is...

Korbs completion % was under 50% which IS a direct result of gameplanning.

The 10 PDs that are a direct result of the tactics and the players builds.


Now as far as the ypc avg, I posted the true figure seconds after I made the initial post, but again your team ignored that.

And on that issue 4.5 ypc might be good in the NFL, but in todays GLB is NOT a GOOD result in the running game, it is in fact distinctly average, certainly not bad, but not enough to be truely happy with in a game where the run would be crucial to the result, which I think you'll agree with.

It is however within the expectations that most of us who watch the league closely would have predicted when a solid running team meet a strong run defense.

Which leads me to the point I actually made, which was that it was EXPECTED that Korb would get a fair few sacks, which would mean you would need to gain significant yardage on the ground.
It was also EXPECTED that Korb would be able to contain your running game to a certain extent (Enough that its unlikely you could make up for the exceptional pass rush.)

It was NOT expected that Korb would lose the turnover battle 5-1.

And THAT is why your victory was seen as an 'upset', not because people dont know your a good team, but that Korb were seen as one of the best.

Now I would suggest that either PPP players get over their self indulgent mememe phase and start reading posts without looking for insults, or they stop reading prediction threads.

Either way NO MORE PMs Complaining to me about it PLEASE - Thanks.



(And to make it CLEAR, the djhoffman99 quote is used for clarity only and not to direct these comments at him personally, it just sort of runs together nicely with my response to the idiots.)




 
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what is so bad about it being considered an "upset" anyway?

heck, my championship trophy was an "upset", even though i knew exactly what i was going to do against woodridge before season two was even half over. regardless of our gameplanning, im truly happy with the fact that we "upset" them.

im sure the giants absolutely love the idea that they "upset" the patriots.

its not a bad word at all. it just shows that you are very capable of proving people wrong and handling adversity with strength. it shows that you can beat tough opponents. if you refuse to call it an upset, youre refusing to acknowledge that your competition (that you beat) was noteworthy.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Rogers

OK firstly I dont really care much about PPP, beyond them being part of the league, but, seeing as half your team (And others that dont seem to be connected to you at all?) felt the need to spam my inbox accusing me of 'always hating your team' and 'not giving the promoted teams any respect over the seasons'...

I'll address a few of your insecurities:

Originally posted by djhoffman99


I don't agree. It's impossible in any game to "plan" for a specific number of anything, but you certainly set your team and individual tactics to create situations that result in sacks, fumbles, INTs, etc. That to me, is planning.

And while I agree 4.5 ypc isn't great, the point was 2.6 ypc doesn't accurately reflect how the running game did.



You missed the point of everything I said which was very clear Planning to win a game by gaining 4 INTERCEPTIONS is not a rational possibility.

Therefore when picking the likely winner in the Picks thread, people tend not to include the possibility.

Indeed I agree, you can plan to put players in the best possible position to make a play on the ball, and set them to aggressive for INTs in the hope you get a turnover.

However that is not the tactic of a team who believe they are the favourites in the game, very much the opposite in fact.

But the 4 INTs are a lucky by-product of solid gameplanning. (And you cant argue that fact because Bort has stated that a significant % of the difference in deciding if a INT occurs is entirely dependant on luck (RNG), if not it is a PD.

You can generate more 'chances' but you CANNOT generate INTS.

What your team should be talking about is...

Korbs completion % was under 50% which IS a direct result of gameplanning.

The 10 PDs that are a direct result of the tactics and the players builds.


Now as far as the ypc avg, I posted the true figure seconds after I made the initial post, but again your team ignored that.

And on that issue 4.5 ypc might be good in the NFL, but in todays GLB is NOT a GOOD result in the running game, it is in fact distinctly average, certainly not bad, but not enough to be truely happy with in a game where the run would be crucial to the result, which I think you'll agree with.

It is however within the expectations that most of us who watch the league closely would have predicted when a solid running team meet a strong run defense.

Which leads me to the point I actually made, which was that it was EXPECTED that Korb would get a fair few sacks, which would mean you would need to gain significant yardage on the ground.
It was also EXPECTED that Korb would be able to contain your running game to a certain extent (Enough that its unlikely you could make up for the exceptional pass rush.)

It was NOT expected that Korb would lose the turnover battle 5-1.

And THAT is why your victory was seen as an 'upset', not because people dont know your a good team, but that Korb were seen as one of the best.

Now I would suggest that either PPP players get over their self indulgent mememe phase and start reading posts without looking for insults, or they stop reading prediction threads.

Either way NO MORE PMs Complaining to me about it PLEASE - Thanks.



(And to make it CLEAR, the djhoffman99 quote is used for clarity only and not to direct these comments at him personally, it just sort of runs together nicely with my response to the idiots.)






Hmmm, well I seriously doubt half our team is spamming your inbox - I know I certainly didn't - either way I have no control over PMs sent to you by anyone not named djhoffman99. And, I'm not particularly concerned about whether people here give PPP it's "due respect" whatever that is. We play this game, and the outcome is the outcome, for better or worse.

I got your point completely from the beginning, and said very clearly no one can plan for a certain number of anything. But you can plan to create TOs or not, and to say that setting tactics to create TOs or sacks or anything else is a mindset of an underdog is just silly. You play to your strengths and/or as a response to your opponents perceived strengths/weaknesses, which is what we did and I suspect Korb did too.

I think I've addressed all your other points in previous posts, but in closing I'll say personally I fully expected to win this game, and I don't think we played particularly well, especially on offense. The proof will be in how the rest of the season unfolds.
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Korbs is a better team than PPP, so it is an upset.. end of discussion..
 
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Originally posted by Mal

Korbs is a better team than PPP, so it is an upset.. end of discussion..

Hey, have I told you recently? Mal Brown sucks
 
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Mike,

I don't know who's PMing you. But as far as Korb being good or not good there is no disagreement they are good. But unlike Alpha, Zeta playoff teams are all good.

Also, you and others here do have a tendency to somehow magically think that because you either started in the pro's through the luck of when you signed up or the earlier you were promoted that you are magically better. In fact, I tend to think there are some better teams in AAA that either just made it this season or still there that are better than half the teams in pros. The problem is too many teams are here that are living on the glory of what they did the first season or two and really haven't adjusted each season with the whims of Bort. Again, you and others tend to look down upon and past teams on how they did last season or two seasons ago, and you should know better. With this thing changing almost daily as Bort makes tweaks you can't even be assured from day to day who really is the best team.

Again, I don't know who is PMing you and I really don't give a shit, but you let me know when a team you have in WEPL wins anything and will talk and then decide whether I care (probably not). But I am also tired of you and others having this self serving attitude that just because you are here longer you know better. Again, win something in Western Europe like we have and maybe we'll talk. PPP beating anyone isn't and has not been an upset. The fact of the matter is it's more of us and all the other new teams looking at the teams here and learning tendencies and game planning for them. Korb game planned well against our run and our passing, but not well enough. It was a tough game between two equally matched teams and they almost beat us. But two playoff team from Zeta playing and one winning should never constitute an upset.
 
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Originally posted by Mal

Korbs is a better team than PPP, so it is an upset.. end of discussion..


Hey Mal did you fumble today? Just checking, because I haven't looked. I know you like to fumble, so I figure you did.
 
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Originally posted by vabills
Mike,

I don't know who's PMing you. But as far as Korb being good or not good there is no disagreement they are good. But unlike Alpha, Zeta playoff teams are all good.

Also, you and others here do have a tendency to somehow magically think that because you either started in the pro's through the luck of when you signed up or the earlier you were promoted that you are magically better. In fact, I tend to think there are some better teams in AAA that either just made it this season or still there that are better than half the teams in pros. The problem is too many teams are here that are living on the glory of what they did the first season or two and really haven't adjusted each season with the whims of Bort. Again, you and others tend to look down upon and past teams on how they did last season or two seasons ago, and you should know better. With this thing changing almost daily as Bort makes tweaks you can't even be assured from day to day who really is the best team.

Again, I don't know who is PMing you and I really don't give a shit, but you let me know when a team you have in WEPL wins anything and will talk and then decide whether I care (probably not). But I am also tired of you and others having this self serving attitude that just because you are here longer you know better. Again, win something in Western Europe like we have and maybe we'll talk. PPP beating anyone isn't and has not been an upset. The fact of the matter is it's more of us and all the other new teams looking at the teams here and learning tendencies and game planning for them. Korb game planned well against our run and our passing, but not well enough. It was a tough game between two equally matched teams and they almost beat us. But two playoff team from Zeta playing and one winning should never constitute an upset.



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