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Originally posted by ArthurRiot
Hell, both were in constant contention for the Pro ones...

As Paris showed. Being in Pro doesn't mean you're necessarily better than AAA, it just means you either got here first and haven't been relegated, or got here sooner than Paris or the Ballers did. Given the number of whipping boy teams you've been passing down season on season, it's difficult to gauge how tough Pro is (especially when newly promoted teams seem to do just fine for themselves).

To roundabout prove a point - my TE actually started on the WooJax before they were known as WooJax, but the team I bought was in AA#2. So the difference between my TE (and indirectly therefore half my team) and WooJax team is approximately 3/5ths of fook all.

That means there are teams in AA#2 still, as there are limited promotion spots, who have players comparable to AAA, and Pro teams - they just haven't filtered up yet.

Losing a couple of established teams is never good - but as AAA#1 showed last season - "newbie" promoted teams can do just fine.

Originally posted by Koncorde
Originally posted by ArthurRiot

Hell, both were in constant contention for the Pro ones...

As Paris showed. Being in Pro doesn't mean you're necessarily better than AAA, it just means you either got here first and haven't been relegated, or got here sooner than Paris or the Ballers did. Given the number of whipping boy teams you've been passing down season on season, it's difficult to gauge how tough Pro is (especially when newly promoted teams seem to do just fine for themselves).

To roundabout prove a point - my TE actually started on the WooJax before they were known as WooJax, but the team I bought was in AA#2. So the difference between my TE (and indirectly therefore half my team) and WooJax team is approximately 3/5ths of fook all.

That means there are teams in AA#2 still, as there are limited promotion spots, who have players comparable to AAA, and Pro teams - they just haven't filtered up yet.

Losing a couple of established teams is never good - but as AAA#1 showed last season - "newbie" promoted teams can do just fine.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but who the hell are the Ballers? I know they're a team that just got moved up to WEPL, but they haven't proven anything like Paris has.

Obviously there will be teams in lower leagues that could compete in this one, but they've also had 5 seasons and a huge boost up by Bort to make it up here. There obviously will probably never be any real "answer", but we should atleast wait until the end of the season to see where teams are.

I, personally, will put my money on the "real" (read: old) WEPL teams being towards the top of the league. But of course, I would say that.

Originally posted by Dublin
Originally posted by Koncorde

Originally posted by ArthurRiot


Hell, both were in constant contention for the Pro ones...

As Paris showed. Being in Pro doesn't mean you're necessarily better than AAA, it just means you either got here first and haven't been relegated, or got here sooner than Paris or the Ballers did. Given the number of whipping boy teams you've been passing down season on season, it's difficult to gauge how tough Pro is (especially when newly promoted teams seem to do just fine for themselves).

To roundabout prove a point - my TE actually started on the WooJax before they were known as WooJax, but the team I bought was in AA#2. So the difference between my TE (and indirectly therefore half my team) and WooJax team is approximately 3/5ths of fook all.

That means there are teams in AA#2 still, as there are limited promotion spots, who have players comparable to AAA, and Pro teams - they just haven't filtered up yet.

Losing a couple of established teams is never good - but as AAA#1 showed last season - "newbie" promoted teams can do just fine.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but who the hell are the Ballers? I know they're a team that just got moved up to WEPL, but they haven't proven anything like Paris has.

Obviously there will be teams in lower leagues that could compete in this one, but they've also had 5 seasons and a huge boost up by Bort to make it up here. There obviously will probably never be any real "answer", but we should atleast wait until the end of the season to see where teams are.

I, personally, will put my money on the "real" (read: old) WEPL teams being towards the top of the league. But of course, I would say that.

GO VALENCIA!!!!

I mean...

GO SCORGASMS!!!

Originally posted by Dublin


I understand the point you're trying to make, but who the hell are the Ballers? I know they're a team that just got moved up to WEPL, but they haven't proven anything like Paris has.

Obviously there will be teams in lower leagues that could compete in this one, but they've also had 5 seasons and a huge boost up by Bort to make it up here. There obviously will probably never be any real "answer", but we should atleast wait until the end of the season to see where teams are.

I, personally, will put my money on the "real" (read: old) WEPL teams being towards the top of the league. But of course, I would say that.

That'd be us, and we've won the leagues we've been put in 2 years in a row now. We haven't received any 'huge boost' to get us here.

Despite that I know WEPL is a big step up. So we'll prove ourselves in games, just like everyone else has to.

Koncorde, I agree that there are teams in lower leagues that are stronger than current WEPL teams.

But you missed the point that WEPL didnt send down 'Whipping Boys'.

GOOD teams folded.

Alpha sent down only One team that deserved it, Renegades could not compete as they started from scratch and had no time to recruit and get above the crippling team chemistry, but they have built a good team and will do well wherever they ended up.

Blackpool Mountain Lions were relegated as well, but they were a very strong team, high levels, decent builds, just a little too much stamina early on and not the depth to compete in WEPL.

The only other team to be dropped were Valhall Vikings, who were easily top 30 in GLB every season, and a team that would be likely to challenge for the title if they had stayed together.

In Zeta, its a slightly different story.

Trolls and Heat were top tier teams, and would have been challenging for the title this season again, both were stronger than Lyon Dynasty for example, and would probably be a little in front of Antwerp, although thats a judgement call. (Ps I count Lyon Dynasty and there franchise team Cheetahs as some of the best in Western Europe)

But Oslo Beserkers had struggled for a while to be truely competitive, so the promoted teams are a improvement, but they were not a whipping team until they knew they were breaking up.

Blind Rage, and Valencia were struggling after being gutted previously and needed replacing.

What happened to Stampede was, well not for me to comment on really, but they were never a easy win.

All in all, Alpha lost 1 bad team (that was rebuilding well), 1 team that is of AAA play off calibre at least if they stay together, and one of the best teams in GLB.

Zeta lost 2 teams that were as good as the Promoted Champions, 1 team that were as good as any of the other promoted teams, and 3 bad teams.

None of the Leagues below WEPL have as many strong teams in them, and as you know from the Grass Roots Divots, it is easier to be a good team if you have more time to plan between tough games, and dont have to worry about the No 14 team beating the No 1 team.

I would say teams like Grass Roots, who are not here yet, or any of this seasons promoted teams are ready to be in WEPL, but because they havent faced the kind of schedule where every game is important, you have to favour the Old Guard.

Thats the main reason Antwerp are considered WEPL Ready, they have faced tough teams all season, (although they were friendlies).

I still stand by what I said that, Minatours, Antwerp, Ballers and Dynasty will make the play offs, and one of them will make a big shout. (Myabe Fire and Ice as well.)

The rest need to step it up to make the play offs, but are capable of doing so.

The difference between season 1 and season 2 teams is now nothing, decreased XP growth has seen to that.
But season 2 teams learned a lot from the mistakes of season 1 teams, and that makes it very likely that WEPL Originals are at a slight disadvantage in terms of builds (Kind of a strange but true fact)

Just like eventually, Season 3 slow build teams will be destroying us all

the new teams that moved up definitely deserve to be here. i would never dispute that. my only point is, that there are some teams that moved up that haven't yet proven that they could win in AAA, much less the WEPL (which is comprised of all the former AAA champions). Losing a couple of perennial teams like Frankfurt HEAT and MA Trolls and having them replaced by these teams isnt making the WEPL stronger. not trying to diss anybody, just pointing out an observation about how our league changed this offseason, thats all.

But its true that Paris moved up and took it all last season, and blew us all away. Any one of the new teams can definitely do the same thing. But all the reason and logic just dictates that this sort of thing is more and more unlikely with every passing season. Maybe one of the new teams has it in them. I wouldnt expect all of them to. I would just be very surprised if all of the new teams make it into the playoffs. I don't think it will happen.

Originally posted by Menamino
Originally posted by Dublin



I understand the point you're trying to make, but who the hell are the Ballers? I know they're a team that just got moved up to WEPL, but they haven't proven anything like Paris has.

Obviously there will be teams in lower leagues that could compete in this one, but they've also had 5 seasons and a huge boost up by Bort to make it up here. There obviously will probably never be any real "answer", but we should atleast wait until the end of the season to see where teams are.

I, personally, will put my money on the "real" (read: old) WEPL teams being towards the top of the league. But of course, I would say that.

That'd be us, and we've won the leagues we've been put in 2 years in a row now. We haven't received any 'huge boost' to get us here.

Despite that I know WEPL is a big step up. So we'll prove ourselves in games, just like everyone else has to.

I meant no disrespect, and as your shiny AAA trophy says, you obviously deserve to be here. I only mentioned you because he brought you up along side the current WEPL champs, which I think the only other team in WEPL history to win the title in their first season was the Wujacks.

I will say that I'm excited to see what Season 6 is going to be like and if any clear "dominate" team will emerge. Honestly, I think we're going to see the first season where an 11 win team gets a home playoff game in the first round. But who knows, one of these unknown, new to the WEPL teams could come in here and completely dominate.

Correction on my last post: Woodridge didn't win the title their first season in the league, but they were the Alpha Champions. Paris is the only team to have succeeded in that so far.

I would also like to invite all of the new teams to check out the WEPL Wiki page.
http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Western_Europe_Pro_League

We've always had a good bunch of guys in the league with alot of participation on the forums and people always willing to pitch in. It looks like the forums are going to be even more active than they were, which is never a bad thing.

Originally posted by Dublin
Honestly, I think we're going to see the first season where an 11 win team gets a home playoff game in the first round.

Alpha had 3 teams tied at 12-4 this season in the top three places.

Berlin finished 10-6 and finished 4th seed this season.

2 other teams finished 10-6 as well.

1st-6th was a difference of 1 game.

Alpha is balanced very thinly.

Also Paris did not dominate the league, losing 4 times in the regular season.
they also won 5 regular season games by just one single score.

They won their final 3 play off games by one score.

They were the best team in the league and are worthy champions, and I expect them to be stronger again this season.

But their season could have been very different if one or two plays a game went differently. The fact that they did win those games is testimony to what a good side they are, as they clearly were able to stay in games, and not committ many mistakes.

Long post to basically say, no one team has ever been promoted and completely dominated the league.

The closest example is Wu Jax, (unless Paris win every game next season by a large margin.)

Well I doubt any team will get above their win-loss record from last season.
Aggies and Musketeers could, same with Carthage and Stuttgart. However both teams are also favourites for relegation. Would be interesting comparing season five and season six records now.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers


I still stand by what I said that, Minatours, Antwerp, Ballers and Dynasty will make the play offs, and one of them will make a big shout. (Myabe Fire and Ice as well.)

The rest need to step it up to make the play offs, but are capable of doing so.



Mike, the Minotaurs appreciate the rep but, probably more than other teams because I have been following WEPL, are very much aware how tough next season will be. We hope to compete well and hard in this league and are really pleased to be here.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers


Just like eventually, Season 3 slow build teams will be destroying us all

Don't I know it!

Just realised something shocking

Only four teams left in Zeta are original WEPL teams. Three of those teams have the three worst records.
Alpha has seven teams from the original WEPL (8 if you include Vikings).

Originally posted by jprietman
the new teams that moved up definitely deserve to be here. i would never dispute that. my only point is, that there are some teams that moved up that haven't yet proven that they could win in AAA, much less the WEPL (which is comprised of all the former AAA champions).

i agree with this, i'm torn between delight at being in the Pro League and disgust at not getting there with a shiny trophy.

Originally posted by thelanger
Originally posted by jprietman

the new teams that moved up definitely deserve to be here. i would never dispute that. my only point is, that there are some teams that moved up that haven't yet proven that they could win in AAA, much less the WEPL (which is comprised of all the former AAA champions).

i agree with this, i'm torn between delight at being in the Pro League and disgust at not getting there with a shiny trophy.



2 conf finals in two years suggests that we're not that far away on our own merit though. And both teams that beat us in the finals (PPP & Meatballs) had something special in Defense in each season (PPP gave up something stupid like only 5 TDs all regular season and Berlin racked up sacks on something stupid like 70% of all passing plays)

We'll do ok but I'd say playoffs in our first season is a high bar to set, Mike. Thanks for the shout, though.

Originally posted by Menamino
Originally posted by jprietman


i dont think its gonna be as much of a dogfight as it was last season. the WEPL is severely weakened imo

time will tell, but I think most of the new teams are up to the challenge

Don't scare they lil' kids, they don't know what's going to kill their QB's... if there was injuries in this game, that'd be the case at least.