Hey where is our HB? wtf...
Kono22
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Originally posted by tjking82
Hey where is our HB? wtf...
It's really the vote for 4th. Your guys are definitely the top 3.
Hey where is our HB? wtf...
It's really the vote for 4th. Your guys are definitely the top 3.
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Wide receivers. Top two from each conference will make the team. I would expand the list to 6 or 8, but I don't want any biased votes for undeserving guys keeping a guy from being #2 (Ralph Nader rule).
Opposition to/Suggestions for nominees?
WC
T. Tall (FREN) 2540yd, 16.0avg, 7.2yac, 43td, 26drp
S. McGee (WAL) 1659yd, 18.9avg, 7.8yac, 23td, 21drp
J. Garrick (FREN) 1650yd, 14.9avg, 5.1yac, 20td, 20drp
E. Rock (SGA) 1419yd, 17.1avg, 9.8yac, 21td, 7drp
EC
D. Goldberg () 1936yd, 20.6avg, 9.6yac, 27td, 13drp
M. Muhammad () 1701yd, 17.0avg, 7.9yac, 21td, 10drp
T. Anderson () 1473yd, 15.5avg, 6.9yac, 17td, 11drp
J. Championship (WAS) 1319yd, 15.7avg, 7.1yac, 19td, 10drp
Wide receivers. Top two from each conference will make the team. I would expand the list to 6 or 8, but I don't want any biased votes for undeserving guys keeping a guy from being #2 (Ralph Nader rule).
Opposition to/Suggestions for nominees?
WC
T. Tall (FREN) 2540yd, 16.0avg, 7.2yac, 43td, 26drp
S. McGee (WAL) 1659yd, 18.9avg, 7.8yac, 23td, 21drp
J. Garrick (FREN) 1650yd, 14.9avg, 5.1yac, 20td, 20drp
E. Rock (SGA) 1419yd, 17.1avg, 9.8yac, 21td, 7drp
EC
D. Goldberg () 1936yd, 20.6avg, 9.6yac, 27td, 13drp
M. Muhammad () 1701yd, 17.0avg, 7.9yac, 21td, 10drp
T. Anderson () 1473yd, 15.5avg, 6.9yac, 17td, 11drp
J. Championship (WAS) 1319yd, 15.7avg, 7.1yac, 19td, 10drp
Last edited Oct 21, 2008 15:44:16
tjsexkitten82
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Originally posted by Kono22
Originally posted by tjking82
Hey where is our HB? wtf...
It's really the vote for 4th. Your guys are definitely the top 3.
lulz
Originally posted by tjking82
Hey where is our HB? wtf...
It's really the vote for 4th. Your guys are definitely the top 3.
lulz
FREE PREVIEW! FREE PREVIEW!
Defensive End. Top two from each conference make the team.
WC
TJ King (FRN) 143tk, 3mstk, 39hry, 109sck, 3ff, 1ff, 0td, 4sfty
...should I even bother with anyone else? ok... I guess we need a second one.
R. Gunn (TUL) 75tk, 3mstk, 51hry, 45sck, 1ff, 2frec, 0td, 0sfty (1int TD)
W. Fart (WAL) 54tk, 1mstk, 40hry, 30sck, 2ff, 2frec, 2td, 0sfty
EC
F. Steak (BOS) 115tk, 4mstk, 63hry, 51sck, 4ff, 1frec, 0td, 0sfty
R. Stitch (CHI) 83tk, 3mstk, 61hry, 43sck, 5ff, 0frec, 0td, 0sfty
C. Roast (BOS) 81tk, 3mstk, 42hry, 41sck, 2ff, 2frec, 0td, 1sfty
R. Neill (RUT) 53tkl, 5mstk, 23hry, 30sck, 2ff, 1frec, 1td, 1sfty
Defensive End. Top two from each conference make the team.
WC
TJ King (FRN) 143tk, 3mstk, 39hry, 109sck, 3ff, 1ff, 0td, 4sfty
...should I even bother with anyone else? ok... I guess we need a second one.
R. Gunn (TUL) 75tk, 3mstk, 51hry, 45sck, 1ff, 2frec, 0td, 0sfty (1int TD)
W. Fart (WAL) 54tk, 1mstk, 40hry, 30sck, 2ff, 2frec, 2td, 0sfty
EC
F. Steak (BOS) 115tk, 4mstk, 63hry, 51sck, 4ff, 1frec, 0td, 0sfty
R. Stitch (CHI) 83tk, 3mstk, 61hry, 43sck, 5ff, 0frec, 0td, 0sfty
C. Roast (BOS) 81tk, 3mstk, 42hry, 41sck, 2ff, 2frec, 0td, 1sfty
R. Neill (RUT) 53tkl, 5mstk, 23hry, 30sck, 2ff, 1frec, 1td, 1sfty
Last edited Oct 21, 2008 16:39:14
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For OL, I'd go with two stats. It'd be hard to do for individuals, but easy to do for an entire OL.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
That will give you a better idea of the effectiveness of a line than using pancakes as one state and sacks plus hurries as the second, as both of those numbers would heavily favor an all running team, which should have tons of pancakes on their running plays and very few sacks or hurries since they rarely pass. The stats above, since they are ratios, include a basic control to balance out the difference between various offensive styles.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
That will give you a better idea of the effectiveness of a line than using pancakes as one state and sacks plus hurries as the second, as both of those numbers would heavily favor an all running team, which should have tons of pancakes on their running plays and very few sacks or hurries since they rarely pass. The stats above, since they are ratios, include a basic control to balance out the difference between various offensive styles.
Originally posted by cliffhangergg
For OL, I'd go with two stats. It'd be hard to do for individuals, but easy to do for an entire OL.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
Nice, I like. I will do this and just add it to the pancake/sack/hurry totals, and let people decide it's effectiveness. Sort of like QB rating. Not the greatest metric in the world, but it tells you something.
And to steal from baseball's OPS, I will add the two results together.
So, PNK/RUSH + SCK+HRY/PASS = OLE
For OL, I'd go with two stats. It'd be hard to do for individuals, but easy to do for an entire OL.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
Nice, I like. I will do this and just add it to the pancake/sack/hurry totals, and let people decide it's effectiveness. Sort of like QB rating. Not the greatest metric in the world, but it tells you something.
And to steal from baseball's OPS, I will add the two results together.
So, PNK/RUSH + SCK+HRY/PASS = OLE
Last edited Oct 21, 2008 16:08:51
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Man, 3 of our wide receivers round out the top 4 WRs of the East.
Brings a tear to my eyes.
Brings a tear to my eyes.
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
Originally posted by cliffhangergg
For OL, I'd go with two stats. It'd be hard to do for individuals, but easy to do for an entire OL.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
Nice, I like. I will do this and just add it to the pancake/sack/hurry totals, and let people decide it's effectiveness. Sort of like QB rating. Not the greatest metric in the world, but it tells you something.
And to steal from baseball's OPS, I will add the two results together.
So, PNK/RUSH + SCK+HRY/PASS = OLE
First of all, Pancakes are good and sacks/hurries are bad, so you don't want to add them together.
Second, I think this still favors running teams. The best rushing OL/worst passing OL will get 3 or 4 pancakes/rush against a gutted team...yet the most sacks/hurries they will give up is 1. Basically, the range of pancake results is much greater than the range of sack/hurry results.
So I like the ratios, but I would keep them separate so people can see what's going on.
Originally posted by cliffhangergg
For OL, I'd go with two stats. It'd be hard to do for individuals, but easy to do for an entire OL.
Stat 1: Pancakes divided by total rush plays.
Stat 2: Sacks plus Hurries, divided by total pass plays.
Nice, I like. I will do this and just add it to the pancake/sack/hurry totals, and let people decide it's effectiveness. Sort of like QB rating. Not the greatest metric in the world, but it tells you something.
And to steal from baseball's OPS, I will add the two results together.
So, PNK/RUSH + SCK+HRY/PASS = OLE
First of all, Pancakes are good and sacks/hurries are bad, so you don't want to add them together.
Second, I think this still favors running teams. The best rushing OL/worst passing OL will get 3 or 4 pancakes/rush against a gutted team...yet the most sacks/hurries they will give up is 1. Basically, the range of pancake results is much greater than the range of sack/hurry results.
So I like the ratios, but I would keep them separate so people can see what's going on.
Last edited Oct 21, 2008 16:21:42
I think if we reverse the pancake forumla and do RUSH/PNK it would make it better.
Example for us to work with.
TULSA - 715pnk, 23hry, 13sck, 582pass 575rush
So, under cliff's proposal and modified with my +model, it would be a OLE of .866 (.804 rsh/pnk + .062 sck+hry/pass) - hehe, this is what being a baseball fan does to you. You become a stats nerd and try to make all these damn equations.
...at least this is a lot better than just leaving the o-line out like we have in the past
Example for us to work with.
TULSA - 715pnk, 23hry, 13sck, 582pass 575rush
So, under cliff's proposal and modified with my +model, it would be a OLE of .866 (.804 rsh/pnk + .062 sck+hry/pass) - hehe, this is what being a baseball fan does to you. You become a stats nerd and try to make all these damn equations.
...at least this is a lot better than just leaving the o-line out like we have in the past
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
I think if we reverse the pancake forumla and do RUSH/PNK it would make it better.
Example for us to work with.
TULSA - 715pnk, 23hry, 13sck, 582pass 575rush
So, under cliff's proposal and modified with my +model, it would be a OLE of .866 (.804 rsh/pnk + .062 sck+hry/pass) - hehe, this is what being a baseball fan does to you. You become a stats nerd and try to make all these damn equations.
...at least this is a lot better than just leaving the o-line out like we have in the past
The pancake number dominates the overall total as you can see. Don't you think it's as important not to give up sacks as it is to get pancakes?
I think if we reverse the pancake forumla and do RUSH/PNK it would make it better.
Example for us to work with.
TULSA - 715pnk, 23hry, 13sck, 582pass 575rush
So, under cliff's proposal and modified with my +model, it would be a OLE of .866 (.804 rsh/pnk + .062 sck+hry/pass) - hehe, this is what being a baseball fan does to you. You become a stats nerd and try to make all these damn equations.
...at least this is a lot better than just leaving the o-line out like we have in the past
The pancake number dominates the overall total as you can see. Don't you think it's as important not to give up sacks as it is to get pancakes?
Yeah, I'm not nerdy enough to figure out a way to weigh these so it isn't so lopsided. I see what you're saying.
Originally posted by DrkSandman
Yeah, I'm not nerdy enough to figure out a way to weigh these so it isn't so lopsided. I see what you're saying.
I am.
http://www.fisherrobotics.com/oline.xls
Yeah, I'm not nerdy enough to figure out a way to weigh these so it isn't so lopsided. I see what you're saying.
I am.
http://www.fisherrobotics.com/oline.xls
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