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So are you guys trying to tell me the trickle down theory is not going to work?
All the problems in this country mount from greed.

Originally posted by tjking82

Maybe you haven't noticed, but his numbers have been trending up since Palin was introduced and he is now equal with Obama in several polls.


Maybe you haven't noticed, but either the Palin bump or the Economy bust has swung it pretty decisively back to Obama.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by tjking82


Maybe you haven't noticed, but his numbers have been trending up since Palin was introduced and he is now equal with Obama in several polls.


Maybe you haven't noticed, but either the Palin bump or the Economy bust has swung it pretty decisively back to Obama.


No I hadn't. Thanks.

And Obama is clearly more intelligent than McCain. I don't agree with him on much if anything, but he is a VERY intelligent man.

Originally posted by Ivy76
So are you guys trying to tell me the trickle down theory is not going to work?
All the problems in this country mount from greed.




I agree with this statement for the most part, Ivy.
I feel as though we as a nation have to employ our government to protect us from the greed and harm that can precipitate from extremely wealthy corporations (and the relatively few steering them).

EDIT:
Go ahead and call me a socialist, I won't mind.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by Ivy76

So are you guys trying to tell me the trickle down theory is not going to work?
All the problems in this country mount from greed.




I agree with this statement for the most part, Ivy.
I feel as though we as a nation have to employ our government to protect us from the greed and harm that can precipitate from extremely wealthy corporations (and the relatively few steering them).

EDIT:
Go ahead and call me a socialist, I won't mind.

The statement above isn't socialist, although it could lead to it.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by Ivy76

So are you guys trying to tell me the trickle down theory is not going to work?
All the problems in this country mount from greed.




I agree with this statement for the most part, Ivy.
I feel as though we as a nation have to employ our government to protect us from the greed and harm that can precipitate from extremely wealthy corporations (and the relatively few steering them).

EDIT:
Go ahead and call me a socialist, I won't mind.

WOW, I actually fully agree with your statement. Outside this thread you suck, but in here I agree with you.

Socialist democracy needs to strongly be looked at as a political model that could be intertwined here in America.

Well, some would say it is already working its way in the government here - but is it really? Or is it just a guise to keep some Americans happy thinking things are changing?

Originally posted by Pariah
Socialist democracy needs to strongly be looked at as a political model that could be intertwined here in America.

Well, some would say it is already working its way in the government here - but is it really? Or is it just a guise to keep some Americans happy thinking things are changing?



What the fuck?! You people make me sick. Man, maybe my next switch should be to an intelligent league.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by Ivy76

So are you guys trying to tell me the trickle down theory is not going to work?
All the problems in this country mount from greed.




I agree with this statement for the most part, Ivy.
I feel as though we as a nation have to employ our government to protect us from the greed and harm that can precipitate from extremely wealthy corporations (and the relatively few steering them).

EDIT:
Go ahead and call me a socialist, I won't mind.

How can the goverment protect us from greed and harm, when they are part of the problem.

Also all our goverment cares about is bickering back and forth on how bad the other party is and who is at fault. We need to get rid of the two party system, lobbyist, and have term limits. I figure after one term they are no longer thier for us the people, they start to look at how to better themselves and thier buddies. Our goverment needs to stop looking for the short term fix, and look for a long term fix. If we had term limits they might be inclined to see what would benifit the people long term, instead of these awfull short term fixes. I think we all should not be backing incumbents when we vote to let them know they can't get away with fucking us without lube (dam my ass hurts).

On another note I think they should be under the same retirement/benifit package we fall under, our wonderful SSC plan.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by Pariah

Socialist democracy needs to strongly be looked at as a political model that could be intertwined here in America.

Well, some would say it is already working its way in the government here - but is it really? Or is it just a guise to keep some Americans happy thinking things are changing?



What the fuck?! You people make me sick. Man, maybe my next switch should be to an intelligent league.

Well, isn't democracy built on compromise?

Using a pragmatic approach to government is a smart thing. Taking "pieces" of what works and fitting it together to create a stronger government. We can apply those "pieces" that work in socialism into the best known system of government, democracy - thus making it better.

Democracy is proven as the best form of government. It is not perfect, but there is no system of government that has been proven better throughout history. But there is always room for improvement. Now some of Europe has a Socialist democracy that also has parts that work real well.

Using those "parts" to better our society to me isn't a bad thing!

Also does anyone else want to see some people fry for some of the crap that is going on right now?

Not really... I think being broke would be just fine.

Originally posted by Pariah
Originally posted by tjking82

Originally posted by Pariah


Socialist democracy needs to strongly be looked at as a political model that could be intertwined here in America.

Well, some would say it is already working its way in the government here - but is it really? Or is it just a guise to keep some Americans happy thinking things are changing?



What the fuck?! You people make me sick. Man, maybe my next switch should be to an intelligent league.

Well, isn't democracy built on compromise?

Using a pragmatic approach to government is a smart thing. Taking "pieces" of what works and fitting it together to create a stronger government. We can apply those "pieces" that work in socialism into the best known system of government, democracy - thus making it better.

Democracy is proven as the best form of government. It is not perfect, but there is no system of government that has been proven better throughout history. But there is always room for improvement. Now some of Europe has a Socialist democracy that also has parts that work real well.

Using those "parts" to better our society to me isn't a bad thing!

1) There's really no proof that democracy is the best form of government. It could be true that different forms of government work better for different types of people. Further, there are almost certainly forms of government which have never been fully installed. However, since I happen to like many things about democracy, I won't argue it further.

2) Socialism is a short-term solution only to what some view as problems but I do not. It has never succeeded long-term and never will, because it cannot; it is premised upon critical flaws. Our democracy is becoming more and more socialist with our Robin Hood government, which takes from the rich to give to the poor, you are right there. Not coincidentally, we are also losing our place amongst the world's leaders in innovation. Can I prove causation, no. But there are sensible explanations for why a system which redistributes wealth will not cultivate innovation nearly as much as one based on pure capitalism.

Perhaps the natural tendency of a properly functioning democracy is toward socialism. After all, the poor masses will always have more votes than the wealthy. If the case, I would consider that an inherent flaw of democracy, one which the Framers of the Constitution believed they had checked, but obviously they have not.

Originally posted by Stickman
Originally posted by i cant stop


NObama. Go McCain/Palin.

On what grounds do you think McCain/Palin are the better choice?

'Drill baby drill'? The DoE has published a study indicating that due to the logistics involved (getting the equipment, etc...) that oil drilled offshore wouldn't make it into our gas tanks until almost 2030. That seems useful. And even then, it won't be anywhere close to the amount of oil that we use. OPEC will just cut production to keep prices high.

Or are you going with the argument that Bush has done such a good job for the country that we should elect someone who's voted with him over 90% of the time?

Or maybe you think that his likely choices for advisers (many coming from big banking/freddy mac/fannie mae) and his self-stated lack of economic policy would be best for the country?

Or maybe you think that Palin will be good for dealing with Russia, because she's from Alaska (which is near Russia, in case you hadn't heard)?

I realize I'm not going to change anyone's mind with this, but how in the world can McCain be better than Obama? IF this was the 2000 McCain, I'd be more likely to agree, but this is not the same McCain that we saw then. Since then, he's shifted his entire focus towards placating the right wing, and he's not the Maverick that he used to be. And the fact that he's approving campaign ads that are just flat out lies?!?!?!! I'm honestly very disappointed in a man I once respected. He's gone the way of Karl Rove, which is win at any cost. At any cost to himself, to his opponent, and to his country.

Isn't this the thing that people always complain about with politicians? That they lie, cheat and steal? Then why are so many people still supporting McCain, because he's definitely lying and just playing the game.

While Obama may not be able to fix everything, he's going to go a long way towards restoring America's world standing, and hopefully fixing some of the problems that W has left.

Thanks,
StickMan

On "Drill Baby Drill" You say that the oil that they get from drilling wont help us now. Well, that was the same argument in the mid 90's well that would be helping us now and I'm sure in 10 to 15 years we'll still need it. So just because it wont help us immediately we shouldn't try to help ourselves out down the road? there is countless amounts of oil in Alaska that Barack Obama wouldn't let us touch. On top of that... "Studies over the years by industry and government alike estimate that there may be between 800 billion and more than one trillion barrels of oil locked up in these rocks--nearly three times the known reserves in Saudi Arabia. That would be enough oil to supply America for the next 400 years." I read that at http://www.newsweek.com/id/146161 about the possibilities in "Wyoming, Utah, and especially Colorado's Western Slope."

Also what "Lies" are you referring to about McCain's ad's? Yeah there have been some shoddy politics. But, they have been on both sides of the fence. I'm curious to here what your talking about because not all ad's are from the McCain camp or the Obama camp. Their are independent groups that pay for ad's all the time. However many real questions have been brought up pertaining to Obama. Like his relationship with Bill Ayers. The guy who bombed the capital. The same Bill Ayers who donated to the Obama campaign. The fact that he was a member of a church who's "Pastor" after 9/11 preached "God Damn America" behind his pulpit. Obama in turn left that church. but, not for nearly 7 years after the fact. And, not until it became public knowledge. At the very least it brings up questions about the people in whom he keeps in his company.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by Pariah

Socialist democracy needs to strongly be looked at as a political model that could be intertwined here in America.

Well, some would say it is already working its way in the government here - but is it really? Or is it just a guise to keep some Americans happy thinking things are changing?



What the fuck?! You people make me sick. Man, maybe my next switch should be to an intelligent league.

Actually the fact that this conversation has gone on as civilly as it has seems to indicate that this is likely one of the more intelligent leagues around....I have to say that I'm impressed that this hasn't spiraled into a FU fest....


Originally posted by tjking82

Our democracy is becoming more and more socialist with our Robin Hood government, which takes from the rich to give to the poor, you are right there. Not coincidentally, we are also losing our place amongst the world's leaders in innovation. Can I prove causation, no. But there are sensible explanations for why a system which redistributes wealth will not cultivate innovation nearly as much as one based on pure capitalism.

While I can see some values to your argument, I think that other factors also contribute. Specifically having a presidential administration that doesn't value science, and therefore does not adequately fund the research which leads to the innovation. If we want to maintain/regain our status as the world leaders in innovation (outside of military technology) we need to invest heavily in biomedical sciences and engineering. Dramatically increasing the funding towards renewable energy (not corn based ethanol, that's not very energy efficient and is a whole other argument) such as wind, solar and geothermal would be good good places to start.

Thanks,
StickMan

Originally posted by brownryango
Originally posted by hutchins929

Originally posted by Admerylous


The idiocy of Sen. Obama?

I'd be willing to wager that Obama would be considered the more intelligent of the two candidates. Not an attack on McCain by any means, just an acknowledgment of Obama's accomplishments and ability.



#1 Just curious... What accomplishments of Barack Hussein Obama, while a United States Senator, are you referring to?

#2 if you consider someone who has used drugs (Cocaine and Marijuana) intelligent then I'm not sure your opinion would count for much. (Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having used Marijuana and Cocaine in his 1995 book, Dreams from My Father.)

#3 It didn't work the last time the democrats tried to elect one of the most liberal politicians (John Kerry). Now, according to the national journal, they try to have the most liberal senator with Barack Hussein Obama as the Democrats choice for President. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/


#1 - be sure to include his middle name so we think he's a terrorist.
#2 - our last two presidents admitted drug use as well. and do understand how prevalent drug use is in our country. there are countless geniuses that have admitted smoking pot at the very least.
#3 - did you get that fact forwarded to you in an e-mail?

#1 - What's wrong with his middle name? I never stated that he was a terrorist. I think you are trying to put words in my mouth. Do Republicans get bent out of shape when the President is referrd to as W or George W. Bush.

#2 - Were you listening to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida as you typed that?

#3 - No, I first heard it on the news. Then... Actualy if you read my post I said where I got it from. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/