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Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by msupoke

Originally posted by nickr1


I think it is just a matter of terminology for you. In GLB corners are always playing man unless they are in a cover 3 0r 4. The zone part in glb only refers to the linebackers

They are in man in cover 2? If so, I will start exploiting that, too. If the LBs are in zone, while everyone else is in man, there will be huge problems.

Can one of the developers please respond? Is the defensive AI realistic?

CBs are always in Man unless they are pulled back into Cover 2+ shell zone (for instance, if you have C2 and blitz the SS, I believe CB2 drops back into the C2 zone... not actually sure, never done it. Cover 3 Shell is CB - FS - CB back). Underneath zone/man toggle controls LBs.

Hmmm. Actual football knowledge actually hurts you in this game, then.

Originally posted by nickr1
Originally posted by msupoke

Originally posted by nickr1


I think it is just a matter of terminology for you. In GLB corners are always playing man unless they are in a cover 3 0r 4. The zone part in glb only refers to the linebackers

They are in man in cover 2? If so, I will start exploiting that, too. If the LBs are in zone, while everyone else is in man, there will be huge problems.

Can one of the developers please respond? Is the defensive AI realistic?

Very few teams put their linebackers in zone because it is very easy to exploit most only play man to man underneath


I would think that there would be more matchup problems with the LBs in man. In zone, they are just responsible for an area, not a man who is probably faster than they are.

Originally posted by msupoke
Originally posted by nickr1

Originally posted by msupoke


Originally posted by nickr1



I think it is just a matter of terminology for you. In GLB corners are always playing man unless they are in a cover 3 0r 4. The zone part in glb only refers to the linebackers

They are in man in cover 2? If so, I will start exploiting that, too. If the LBs are in zone, while everyone else is in man, there will be huge problems.

Can one of the developers please respond? Is the defensive AI realistic?

Very few teams put their linebackers in zone because it is very easy to exploit most only play man to man underneath


I would think that there would be more matchup problems with the LBs in man. In zone, they are just responsible for an area, not a man who is probably faster than they are.


It is personnel and situation dependent. There is no right answer.

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by msupoke

Originally posted by nickr1


Originally posted by msupoke



Originally posted by nickr1




I think it is just a matter of terminology for you. In GLB corners are always playing man unless they are in a cover 3 0r 4. The zone part in glb only refers to the linebackers

They are in man in cover 2? If so, I will start exploiting that, too. If the LBs are in zone, while everyone else is in man, there will be huge problems.

Can one of the developers please respond? Is the defensive AI realistic?

Very few teams put their linebackers in zone because it is very easy to exploit most only play man to man underneath


I would think that there would be more matchup problems with the LBs in man. In zone, they are just responsible for an area, not a man who is probably faster than they are.


It is personnel and situation dependent. There is no right answer.


The last one with the chalk wins. I would like an answer from a developer, though.

All this Cover 1, Cover 2 zone stuff!!! It's pretty simple. The number refers to the # of players playing zone. So in a cover 1, one player ( the FS ) is playing zone. In cover 2, 2 players ( FS and SS ) are playing zone.... You ( the DC ) tells eveyrone else what to play. Cover 2 is just a defensive formation ( like the I-form on offense ). What your players do is up to you ( Man, Zone or blitz ).

Same in the pro's. Tampa's and Indy's cover 2 are basically the same. Zone D all around ( with really fast LB's to cover underneath ), with help over the top. This has been successful for Tony Dungy for years, so all the teams he has coached for use it.

But cover 2 does not have to be entirely zone.... Washington uses a cover 2 quite a bit, but they have the corners and LB's play Man-to-man across the field. Different philosophy off the same basic defense formation.

I can't decide if there are more "WTF?"s with the game or with the human element, but there's a whole lotta "WTF?" in this thread.

Originally posted by msupoke
Hmmm. Actual football knowledge actually hurts you in this game, then.

There needs to be a conversion chart, yes.

I have a follow up cover-1 question. In the play linked below, I am running a cover-1 man. I'm doing so to help stop their running game. However, my LOLB keeps trying to double the WR. Any ideas how to get him to play the TE or the run instead? Thanks!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=174877&pbp_id=3129958

Originally posted by merk
I have a follow up cover-1 question. In the play linked below, I am running a cover-1 man. I'm doing so to help stop their running game. However, my LOLB keeps trying to double the WR. Any ideas how to get him to play the TE or the run instead? Thanks!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=174877&pbp_id=3129958

Set focus to run, and blitz the LOLB. SS will pick up the TE.

Also, I wouldn't shift weak side versus strong-I.

In the 3-4, I'd go with strong shift Cover 1 Man, run focus, blitz LOLB and LILB.

Originally posted by Forbin
Originally posted by merk

I have a follow up cover-1 question. In the play linked below, I am running a cover-1 man. I'm doing so to help stop their running game. However, my LOLB keeps trying to double the WR. Any ideas how to get him to play the TE or the run instead? Thanks!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=174877&pbp_id=3129958

Set focus to run, and blitz the LOLB. SS will pick up the TE.

Also, I wouldn't shift weak side versus strong-I.

In the 3-4, I'd go with strong shift Cover 1 Man, run focus, blitz LOLB and LILB.

Thanks for the advise! I'll shift from using the basic setting on run/pass focus to run focus. I had also used the basic setting on the LB shift, so I guess that is why there was a weak side shift. I've fixed that. May I ask why the LOLB and LILB blitz?

I was hoping to have the LOLB cover the TE in the event of a pass. That way he would stay inside against the run.

Originally posted by merk
Originally posted by Forbin

Originally posted by merk


I have a follow up cover-1 question. In the play linked below, I am running a cover-1 man. I'm doing so to help stop their running game. However, my LOLB keeps trying to double the WR. Any ideas how to get him to play the TE or the run instead? Thanks!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=174877&pbp_id=3129958

Set focus to run, and blitz the LOLB. SS will pick up the TE.

Also, I wouldn't shift weak side versus strong-I.

In the 3-4, I'd go with strong shift Cover 1 Man, run focus, blitz LOLB and LILB.

Thanks for the advise! I'll shift from using the basic setting on run/pass focus to run focus. I had also used the basic setting on the LB shift, so I guess that is why there was a weak side shift. I've fixed that. May I ask why the LOLB and LILB blitz?

I was hoping to have the LOLB cover the TE in the event of a pass. That way he would stay inside against the run.

Blitzing in GLB is very effective in stopping the run - especially inside.

The reason I said to blitz both LOLB and LILB, is to help stuff the off tackle play out of the strong-I, which is a very common play when you see that formation against a run oriented offense.

Running the Cover 1 will stick your SS on the TE, which should suffice. You could blitz the SS, or just leave him in the box and only blitz the LILB, but sending both backers on the strong side will have a better effect overall.

Originally posted by Forbin

Blitzing in GLB is very effective in stopping the run - especially inside.

The reason I said to blitz both LOLB and LILB, is to help stuff the off tackle play out of the strong-I, which is a very common play when you see that formation against a run oriented offense.

Running the Cover 1 will stick your SS on the TE, which should suffice. You could blitz the SS, or just leave him in the box and only blitz the LILB, but sending both backers on the strong side will have a better effect overall.

I will be trying blitzing both in our next game. One question: if I only blitz the LILB, then won't the LOLB try to cover the WR (and cause me to effectively lose the 8 man front) like he did in the play I linked?

Originally posted by merk
Originally posted by Forbin


Blitzing in GLB is very effective in stopping the run - especially inside.

The reason I said to blitz both LOLB and LILB, is to help stuff the off tackle play out of the strong-I, which is a very common play when you see that formation against a run oriented offense.

Running the Cover 1 will stick your SS on the TE, which should suffice. You could blitz the SS, or just leave him in the box and only blitz the LILB, but sending both backers on the strong side will have a better effect overall.

I will be trying blitzing both in our next game. One question: if I only blitz the LILB, then won't the LOLB try to cover the WR (and cause me to effectively lose the 8 man front) like he did in the play I linked?

No, if you don't blitz him, the LOLB will cover the TE. If you don't blitz the SS, he'll double the TE with the LOLB.

Ok. Thanks!

Originally posted by Jonfus42
All this Cover 1, Cover 2 zone stuff!!! It's pretty simple. The number refers to the # of players playing zone. So in a cover 1, one player ( the FS ) is playing zone. In cover 2, 2 players ( FS and SS ) are playing zone.... You ( the DC ) tells eveyrone else what to play. Cover 2 is just a defensive formation ( like the I-form on offense ). What your players do is up to you ( Man, Zone or blitz ). It is not quite that simple. The number represents the number of players playing deep zone. Sure, you can zone underneath a deep FS, but it would be stupid. Therefore, cover 1 is always played as a man underneath the FS. I can see a team playing man under a two-deep set, but only in a nickle or dime package (man-under). Otherwise, you will have LBs matched up on faster players. Therefore, cover 2 is usually zone out of 4-3 or 3-4.

Originally posted by Jonfus42
Same in the pro's. Tampa's and Indy's cover 2 are basically the same. Zone D all around ( with really fast LB's to cover underneath ), with help over the top. This has been successful for Tony Dungy for years, so all the teams he has coached for use it. Exactly. Cover 2 is usually a zone.

Originally posted by Jonfus42
But cover 2 does not have to be entirely zone.... Washington uses a cover 2 quite a bit, but they have the corners and LB's play Man-to-man across the field. Different philosophy off the same basic defense formation.

I have never really watched Washington. Are they doing this out of their base or nickle or dime?