Lef Grebo
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Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by Billsman
And if you don't like to read it then don't. They cheated, they were busted, we don't like it and we're trying to get the teams banned or kicked out of the league.
I'll agree that Mamba81 dropped a lot of players, which by my definition is gutting.
But by using the word they I assume you mean AlCapown is also cheating. How did AlCapown cheat?
He took in all the players from the gutted team. It's like knowing buying stolen goods. You did not steal the goods, but you bought them, that makes you guilty as well.
And Mamba, it's clear the clear majority of the owners here are angry at this situation. you claim to want to fix it, then you need to offer some way to fix it. Then do it.
Originally posted by Billsman
And if you don't like to read it then don't. They cheated, they were busted, we don't like it and we're trying to get the teams banned or kicked out of the league.
I'll agree that Mamba81 dropped a lot of players, which by my definition is gutting.
But by using the word they I assume you mean AlCapown is also cheating. How did AlCapown cheat?
He took in all the players from the gutted team. It's like knowing buying stolen goods. You did not steal the goods, but you bought them, that makes you guilty as well.
And Mamba, it's clear the clear majority of the owners here are angry at this situation. you claim to want to fix it, then you need to offer some way to fix it. Then do it.
Last edited May 18, 2008 18:12:31
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Originally posted by Mamba81
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
based on what ive seen two things are very clear, well three actually:
1) Bort is working very hard to balance multiple objectives - to please owners and players, as well as to eliminate the loopholes that are plaguing his game
2) you appear to have had good intentions to start out in this whole situation
3) if Bort indeed approved your cutting those players, and i now suspect he did, he made a serious error because it led to exactly this kind of thing happening, which is going to drive away good customers like myself pretty damn quick
i can see why he would try to help out players on team that has an owner not interested in managing any longer. but why in the world would you not just transfer the entire team to somebody else who wants one? sure, your team may have been getting creamed but there are people like myself who like that kind of challenge and would enjoy trying to whip them into shape over the course of the next season
every team cannot be a winner. thats impossible. and by allowing that kind of player cutting you are hanging a big sign on the site that screams 'abuse me'
he was trying to keep the teams players interest in the game by allowing them to be cut, but in doing so he set up having someone abuse, intentionally or not, that generosity by having them all land in one spot - here
i am furious that i spent over a hundred bucks and countless hours trying to build my players and an entire team one piece at a time in a sportsmanlike manner while some inferior team just comes in and scoops us ten 'freebies' in five seconds
homey DO NOT play dat
i eagerly await the site owners insight into this and to their final ruling
tic toc
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
based on what ive seen two things are very clear, well three actually:
1) Bort is working very hard to balance multiple objectives - to please owners and players, as well as to eliminate the loopholes that are plaguing his game
2) you appear to have had good intentions to start out in this whole situation
3) if Bort indeed approved your cutting those players, and i now suspect he did, he made a serious error because it led to exactly this kind of thing happening, which is going to drive away good customers like myself pretty damn quick
i can see why he would try to help out players on team that has an owner not interested in managing any longer. but why in the world would you not just transfer the entire team to somebody else who wants one? sure, your team may have been getting creamed but there are people like myself who like that kind of challenge and would enjoy trying to whip them into shape over the course of the next season
every team cannot be a winner. thats impossible. and by allowing that kind of player cutting you are hanging a big sign on the site that screams 'abuse me'
he was trying to keep the teams players interest in the game by allowing them to be cut, but in doing so he set up having someone abuse, intentionally or not, that generosity by having them all land in one spot - here
i am furious that i spent over a hundred bucks and countless hours trying to build my players and an entire team one piece at a time in a sportsmanlike manner while some inferior team just comes in and scoops us ten 'freebies' in five seconds
homey DO NOT play dat
i eagerly await the site owners insight into this and to their final ruling
tic toc
Yard Dog
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I really have no problem with this... If one of the admins come back and research it thoroughly and decide that its in the grey area and is legal, then I say shut up and play on.
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Originally posted by Lef Grebo
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take a look at your old team. Their highest lvl is what now? 9th or 10th level. They are starting a bunch of lvl 4s and 6s in a AAA league. And the chemistry is in the crapper. Sure you ONLY took the top 30% of the team. You gutted the heart out of that team.
To come down 4 levels to the lowest level competition in the USA leagues. Such bravery. Such Courage. Bravo sir. Bravo.
That sums it up.
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take a look at your old team. Their highest lvl is what now? 9th or 10th level. They are starting a bunch of lvl 4s and 6s in a AAA league. And the chemistry is in the crapper. Sure you ONLY took the top 30% of the team. You gutted the heart out of that team.
To come down 4 levels to the lowest level competition in the USA leagues. Such bravery. Such Courage. Bravo sir. Bravo.
That sums it up.
mgse
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DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
Mamba81
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I don't want to be tried as a criminal, because I wasn't looking to get that trophy on my page. I wouldn't have worked for it so I wouldn't have deserved it. I'm not a ten year old kid that wants to win 90-0 every game. I didn't quit because I was losing. The summer is coming, I play basketball and work at Best Buy all the time, I barely get on GLB that much anymore.
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Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
that tells us nothing. doesn't say they've investigated, doesn't say they are working to prevent this type of stuff, doesn't say they are not. This type of response only insults those who actually are trying to build a team the 'right' way and help grow this game and prevent cheating.
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
that tells us nothing. doesn't say they've investigated, doesn't say they are working to prevent this type of stuff, doesn't say they are not. This type of response only insults those who actually are trying to build a team the 'right' way and help grow this game and prevent cheating.
Billsman
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Originally posted by Mamba81
I don't want to be tried as a criminal, because I wasn't looking to get that trophy on my page. I wouldn't have worked for it so I wouldn't have deserved it. I'm not a ten year old kid that wants to win 90-0 every game. I didn't quit because I was losing. The summer is coming, I play basketball and work at Best Buy all the time, I barely get on GLB that much anymore.
Put yourself in our places, how would you feel and what would you think?
I don't want to be tried as a criminal, because I wasn't looking to get that trophy on my page. I wouldn't have worked for it so I wouldn't have deserved it. I'm not a ten year old kid that wants to win 90-0 every game. I didn't quit because I was losing. The summer is coming, I play basketball and work at Best Buy all the time, I barely get on GLB that much anymore.
Put yourself in our places, how would you feel and what would you think?
Billsman
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Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
Pretty vague, sorry.
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
Pretty vague, sorry.
Lef Grebo
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It's real simple mamba. You know most of the people here think what you did was unethical. You can try to make it right, or tell us to go to hell.
General Terms
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Originally posted by Mamba81
General Terms, can you quit insinuating and warping my words. Bort approved me cutting the players from my team as long as I didin't strip the team from cash. I left the team with about 6 mil in cash.
I never asked about the signing because I hadn't figured that out yet. Your dealing with this is immature. I have been respectful and I hope you will be too from here on out.
hmm while i disagree i will take immature over a cheat any day. as far as your being respectful i disagree there as well. breaking the rules, colluding, giving a team an unfair advantage is not respectful of anyone here. you aw shucks routine is further disrespect but i suspect you know that and are simply perpetuating this false front because you dont care about the consequences or your spoiling of our fair league. again, if this statement is not true then you would be asking alcapown to immediately cut the players in question.
General Terms, can you quit insinuating and warping my words. Bort approved me cutting the players from my team as long as I didin't strip the team from cash. I left the team with about 6 mil in cash.
I never asked about the signing because I hadn't figured that out yet. Your dealing with this is immature. I have been respectful and I hope you will be too from here on out.
hmm while i disagree i will take immature over a cheat any day. as far as your being respectful i disagree there as well. breaking the rules, colluding, giving a team an unfair advantage is not respectful of anyone here. you aw shucks routine is further disrespect but i suspect you know that and are simply perpetuating this false front because you dont care about the consequences or your spoiling of our fair league. again, if this statement is not true then you would be asking alcapown to immediately cut the players in question.
Last edited May 18, 2008 18:27:05
General Terms
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Originally posted by meohmy
Question for Alcapown: What did the players (and starters) on your team think when they were suddenly replaced in the middle of the season?
that is a good question! i can only imagine. i replaced a couple players as starters in team building and in the process hurt some feelings. and that was doing it the legit way. i can only imagine what it must be like to have your player replaced by a ringer. from some of the feedback i saw on the trash talk forum the other cheattanooga players are ok with it. what a difference a win makes i suppose.
Question for Alcapown: What did the players (and starters) on your team think when they were suddenly replaced in the middle of the season?
that is a good question! i can only imagine. i replaced a couple players as starters in team building and in the process hurt some feelings. and that was doing it the legit way. i can only imagine what it must be like to have your player replaced by a ringer. from some of the feedback i saw on the trash talk forum the other cheattanooga players are ok with it. what a difference a win makes i suppose.
mgse
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Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
Pretty vague, sorry.
From the way I interpreted it, DigitalDaggers doesn't believe you can punish AlCapown for trying to make his team better.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
Pretty vague, sorry.
From the way I interpreted it, DigitalDaggers doesn't believe you can punish AlCapown for trying to make his team better.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by RiderzFan22
Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by RiderzFan22
I dont know too much about this situation, but what I can say is both Alcapown and Mamba81 are great people and are very dedicated to this game. I dont think they would do anything to diminish the integrity of this game and league. Alcapown saw an opportunity and went for it. He was lucky enough to get the players. I am sure Mamba informed his team on what was going on.
If there was gutting (which i dont think their was) It was obviously not on purpose and I dont think you can penalize these good people for it. These guys are models of what i would like everyone on GLB should be, they are both great owners, great players, dedicated to the game, and are very good people.
Dont accuse people if you dont know all the facts.
Are you even in our division? No? Stay out.
Actually I am... Im on there team. Billsman if you dont have any intelligent conversation to make then you Stay Out.
we are not staying out because this involves the entire league. cheating affects all of us. obviously if you are claiming to be one of the players that was part of dumped and sign then you are part of the problem since you would have had to sign alcapown's contract offer to complete the avoidance of the trading policies. i hope the involved players owners get banned as well.
Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by RiderzFan22
I dont know too much about this situation, but what I can say is both Alcapown and Mamba81 are great people and are very dedicated to this game. I dont think they would do anything to diminish the integrity of this game and league. Alcapown saw an opportunity and went for it. He was lucky enough to get the players. I am sure Mamba informed his team on what was going on.
If there was gutting (which i dont think their was) It was obviously not on purpose and I dont think you can penalize these good people for it. These guys are models of what i would like everyone on GLB should be, they are both great owners, great players, dedicated to the game, and are very good people.
Dont accuse people if you dont know all the facts.
Are you even in our division? No? Stay out.
Actually I am... Im on there team. Billsman if you dont have any intelligent conversation to make then you Stay Out.
we are not staying out because this involves the entire league. cheating affects all of us. obviously if you are claiming to be one of the players that was part of dumped and sign then you are part of the problem since you would have had to sign alcapown's contract offer to complete the avoidance of the trading policies. i hope the involved players owners get banned as well.
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