Warrior General Games

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Ok so in conclusion it's dumb to add agility. and agility isn't more important than speed. Is that basically what we are getting at here? Now don't go saying well, no you need agility to a certain extent. Because everyone is basically slamming agility like it's worthless. and All I am saying from experience. MY d.e. sucks. Good news. Yeah tell me something I don't know. YES HE SUCKS. HE SUCKS HE SUCKS. lets get past that. Now lets move onto the fact my SPEEEEEDDDDDDD defensive END, didn't start doing SHIT, Until I switched all his equipment to agility. SO he STILL HAS OVER 70 speed. AND over 85 agility. right now. I could switch all the equipment to speed and he will have 91 speed right now I could do this. BUT speed isn't as good as agility. After looking over every season I listened to douche bags tell me speed was the key. I switched all my equipment to agility and he actually started producing sacks. so yeah BEING A SPEED end actually wasted my time. and put me behind. Now that Bort is nerfing speed even more. This is outdated nonsense,now. Agility is starting to make players better, than just having all speed. STAY STuck on your speed. all I know is eventually speed won't do shit without agility. I would rather be slow and be able to get around the blockers, than to be fast and hope I can break block after block.

We aren't slamming agility, we are slamming you for being a bloody annoying ignorant ass.

yeah GTFO

to try to get this thread back to its reason...i'm level 15 and i've got to get my stamina, vision, and SAs going.

stamina's at 20.8 (with one piece of equipment still on it), visions at 14.8 and i have no points in my SAs. I did get a piece of CE with shed block, so I'm sticking to intense training for the bonuses (otherwise I'd just train vision on normal).

I figure I go with speed/stamina and agility/stamina until i get a decent stamina up (which would be what? 30?) while putting all my skill points into vision. Once I get vision up to the soft cap, I could then--and only then--put my points into SAs.

is that the right method? any thoughts? what's a good stamina? I play on ST (I'm a freaking beast on special teams, lol) and backup at end and each game my energy is at around 10.

Originally posted by Darkstrand
Hey Miked if you could take a look at my DE at some point from the last page that would be great. I started him based on your advice back in july and I was wondering if you could tell me if he is coming along ok or needs work in certain things.


here are his stats (without equipment or custom equipment). he has 6 unspent SP.
Strength: 29.64
Blocking: 15.05
Speed: 71.64 (+18 from lvl.16 equipment and CE).
Tackling: 27.64
Agility: 70.64
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 17.05
Catching: 8
Stamina: 33.23
Carrying: 8
Vision: 49.64
Kicking: 9
Confidence: 19.05
Punting: 8

His SA's are 1-2-4-7-0 (not including CE). Some people telling me to keep bringing TV up then shed block. Others are telling me I need change direction and first step.

I've stuck with your build advice this far that speed>>agility>>>vision>Tunnelvision>>Shedblock>>FS/CD. Despite people always trying to "zomg go agility" or "cap strength what the fuck are you doing??"

but has it changed any with the new pass block schemes. THe pass rush delay. and the bonus to protect?

what do you think? Klarg needs a tune up from the mechanic.

With the recent update, does second capping Vision make sense?

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Ok so in conclusion it's dumb to add agility. and agility isn't more important than speed. Is that basically what we are getting at here? Now don't go saying well, no you need agility to a certain extent. Because everyone is basically slamming agility like it's worthless. and All I am saying from experience. MY d.e. sucks. Good news. Yeah tell me something I don't know. YES HE SUCKS. HE SUCKS HE SUCKS. lets get past that. Now lets move onto the fact my SPEEEEEDDDDDDD defensive END, didn't start doing SHIT, Until I switched all his equipment to agility. SO he STILL HAS OVER 70 speed. AND over 85 agility. right now. I could switch all the equipment to speed and he will have 91 speed right now I could do this. BUT speed isn't as good as agility. After looking over every season I listened to douche bags tell me speed was the key. I switched all my equipment to agility and he actually started producing sacks. so yeah BEING A SPEED end actually wasted my time. and put me behind. Now that Bort is nerfing speed even more. This is outdated nonsense,now. Agility is starting to make players better, than just having all speed. STAY STuck on your speed. all I know is eventually speed won't do shit without agility. I would rather be slow and be able to get around the blockers, than to be fast and hope I can break block after block.

We aren't slamming agility, we are slamming you for being a bloody annoying ignorant ass.

yeah yeah. I have seen numerous people slam you.

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Ok so in conclusion it's dumb to add agility. and agility isn't more important than speed. Is that basically what we are getting at here? Now don't go saying well, no you need agility to a certain extent. Because everyone is basically slamming agility like it's worthless. and All I am saying from experience. MY d.e. sucks. Good news. Yeah tell me something I don't know. YES HE SUCKS. HE SUCKS HE SUCKS. lets get past that. Now lets move onto the fact my SPEEEEEDDDDDDD defensive END, didn't start doing SHIT, Until I switched all his equipment to agility. SO he STILL HAS OVER 70 speed. AND over 85 agility. right now. I could switch all the equipment to speed and he will have 91 speed right now I could do this. BUT speed isn't as good as agility. After looking over every season I listened to douche bags tell me speed was the key. I switched all my equipment to agility and he actually started producing sacks. so yeah BEING A SPEED end actually wasted my time. and put me behind. Now that Bort is nerfing speed even more. This is outdated nonsense,now. Agility is starting to make players better, than just having all speed. STAY STuck on your speed. all I know is eventually speed won't do shit without agility. I would rather be slow and be able to get around the blockers, than to be fast and hope I can break block after block.

We aren't slamming agility, we are slamming you for being a bloody annoying ignorant ass.

you're like one of the most annoying people on here, no one likes. So I will just take that comment with ease.

Originally posted by OMGWTF
UnderDogs turns yet another great and helpful thread into a steaming pile. MikeD had a great thread going here until you came in and shit all over it like you always do.

glad to oblige.

Originally posted by themadhobbit
Originally posted by Darkstrand

Hey Miked if you could take a look at my DE at some point from the last page that would be great. I started him based on your advice back in july and I was wondering if you could tell me if he is coming along ok or needs work in certain things.


here are his stats (without equipment or custom equipment). he has 6 unspent SP.
Strength: 29.64
Blocking: 15.05
Speed: 71.64 (+18 from lvl.16 equipment and CE).
Tackling: 27.64
Agility: 70.64
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 17.05
Catching: 8
Stamina: 33.23
Carrying: 8
Vision: 49.64
Kicking: 9
Confidence: 19.05
Punting: 8

His SA's are 1-2-4-7-0 (not including CE). Some people telling me to keep bringing TV up then shed block. Others are telling me I need change direction and first step.

I've stuck with your build advice this far that speed>>agility>>>vision>Tunnelvision>>Shedblock>>FS/CD. Despite people always trying to "zomg go agility" or "cap strength what the fuck are you doing??"

but has it changed any with the new pass block schemes. THe pass rush delay. and the bonus to protect?

what do you think? Klarg needs a tune up from the mechanic.

With the recent update, does second capping Vision make sense?



doesn't make sense at all. Seems like a waste to second cap vision.

Originally posted by thejerseytornado
to try to get this thread back to its reason...i'm level 15 and i've got to get my stamina, vision, and SAs going.

stamina's at 20.8 (with one piece of equipment still on it), visions at 14.8 and i have no points in my SAs. I did get a piece of CE with shed block, so I'm sticking to intense training for the bonuses (otherwise I'd just train vision on normal).

I figure I go with speed/stamina and agility/stamina until i get a decent stamina up (which would be what? 30?) while putting all my skill points into vision. Once I get vision up to the soft cap, I could then--and only then--put my points into SAs.

is that the right method? any thoughts? what's a good stamina? I play on ST (I'm a freaking beast on special teams, lol) and backup at end and each game my energy is at around 10.

Heya jersey...PM your build and I can give you specifics...In general, 30 stamina is enough for a lev 30 if you aren't playing special teams...Also, I wouldn't spend skill points on any skill below 20. Spend your skill points on continuing to raise your speed and agility while you train up your vision to the point at which it is high enough to dump skill points into.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA

We aren't slamming agility, we are slamming you for being a bloody annoying ignorant ass.

you're like one of the most annoying people on here, no one likes. So I will just take that comment with ease.

AnTiNiNjA is one of the most knowledgeable people on here. You could do far worse than to follow his advise.

Originally posted by merk
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA


We aren't slamming agility, we are slamming you for being a bloody annoying ignorant ass.

you're like one of the most annoying people on here, no one likes. So I will just take that comment with ease.

AnTiNiNjA is one of the most knowledgeable people on here. You could do far worse than to follow his advise.

i am following his advice.

Originally posted by michoool123
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by UnderDogs


Originally posted by Darkstrand



Hey guys. I'm trying to figure out where I should go next with my DE

here are his stats (without equipment or custom equipment). he has 6 unspent SP.
Strength: 29.64
Blocking: 15.05
Speed: 70.64
Tackling: 27.64
Agility: 70.64
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 17.05
Catching: 8
Stamina: 33.23
Carrying: 8
Vision: 49.64
Kicking: 9
Confidence: 19.05
Punting: 8

his Pass rushing SAs are 1-2-3-6-0

I'm thinking I could change it to 1-2-4-7-0

or maybe get FS and CD up higher?

SHeds and t.v. up to 8 each you will be unstoppable.

Um with Bort's new change...it has vaulted first step up as the best passrushing SA...why? Because it allows you to get great jumps and jump the snaps instead of waiting for the tick delays...the higher it is, the more great jumps you get.



Has this been tested yet?

Yes. This is just my opinion however because with my DEs who are high speed it works best.

For those interested, yesterday was my first game wearing blitz equipment. I have a +1 blitz +3 confidence piece that's been upgraded to +2 speed +2 blitz +3 confidence that I used over my normal +5 speed equipment. (was level 39 at the time of the game) Obviously nothing remotely conclusive as it was against not so great competition (I had 4 levels on the OT) but I've had fewer sacks against worse OTs this season.