If you want to bring this to admin, we can just solve it ourselves and disband the players that were signed.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
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I'd like to propose an idea. A league president and/or a transaction committee to oversee trades for the offseason and next season.
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Congrats chatanooga came down to a dissapointing drop in the endzone on basically the last play of the game.
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Originally posted by Mamba81
If you want to bring this to admin, we can just solve it ourselves and disband the players that were signed.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
Your missing the issue. Every other owner in this league has character. They started with a base of players and added low levels to build within their league. The issue isnt with you as a player, as much as with your owner who has no respect for anyone else in his league, players or owners. Your just icing on the crap cake.
If you want to bring this to admin, we can just solve it ourselves and disband the players that were signed.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
Your missing the issue. Every other owner in this league has character. They started with a base of players and added low levels to build within their league. The issue isnt with you as a player, as much as with your owner who has no respect for anyone else in his league, players or owners. Your just icing on the crap cake.
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Originally posted by Alcapown
I appreciate the maturity in your response, I just really hate getting wrongly accused, and I understand from an outsiders view, but this is my message to all, I have never cheated, and never will, I value my account and the integrity of the game way too much to do so. Also, it was a good game Dogs , and maybe we will meet again.
. But I consider myself very lucky to have acquired the great group of guys I did, although if you ask they wouldnt say its luck, mamba just says I was the only owner who didnt kiss his ass in the PM. I found out about him originally in a post he made on the trade forums fyi. But good luck on the rest of your season everyone, and I expect my aggressive free agency move has sparked some interest, but dont just assume its cheating, cheers!
I am not going to use the word cheating but it would help a bit to know exactly why an owner would trade all that talent to you in exchange for I am not sure what exactly. You said earlier that they "liked your pitch." You sell used cars for a living or something? Life insurance? Door to door vacume salesman?
I appreciate the maturity in your response, I just really hate getting wrongly accused, and I understand from an outsiders view, but this is my message to all, I have never cheated, and never will, I value my account and the integrity of the game way too much to do so. Also, it was a good game Dogs , and maybe we will meet again.
. But I consider myself very lucky to have acquired the great group of guys I did, although if you ask they wouldnt say its luck, mamba just says I was the only owner who didnt kiss his ass in the PM. I found out about him originally in a post he made on the trade forums fyi. But good luck on the rest of your season everyone, and I expect my aggressive free agency move has sparked some interest, but dont just assume its cheating, cheers!I am not going to use the word cheating but it would help a bit to know exactly why an owner would trade all that talent to you in exchange for I am not sure what exactly. You said earlier that they "liked your pitch." You sell used cars for a living or something? Life insurance? Door to door vacume salesman?
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Originally posted by winchester
Originally posted by Lef Grebo
No Alcapown, I am not saying you did, I am just saying why point out one guy when there are several teams that have done this and nothing is said.
I really hate the 'hey other people are doing it so why make a stink about one guy' argument. Thats like a modern version of when our mother's used to tell us "just because the other boys jump off a cliff does that mean you should do it too?" rap. The reason it is being mentioned here is because team gutting is both wrong and directly affecting BBB #14. This is after all the forum for BBB #14 isn't it? Team gutting is an unfair competative advantage which is why the admins have taken great pains to put in things like the fair trade indicator and the chemistry system to deter the practice. I am not saying the chattanooga choo choos did this because of course no one can prove they did, which is exactly why the practice continues. What i can say for certainty is that there are only two possible explanations for how 10 guys moved from one team to another in one giant trade on the same day for little in return - either the chats trading partner is a) at the very least either an idiot for trading away that talent en mass or b) in cahoots and this was a blatant gut job. Bottom line at best this deal is like when Gasol got traded away to the Lakers for a bag of balls.
Originally posted by Lef Grebo
No Alcapown, I am not saying you did, I am just saying why point out one guy when there are several teams that have done this and nothing is said.
I really hate the 'hey other people are doing it so why make a stink about one guy' argument. Thats like a modern version of when our mother's used to tell us "just because the other boys jump off a cliff does that mean you should do it too?" rap. The reason it is being mentioned here is because team gutting is both wrong and directly affecting BBB #14. This is after all the forum for BBB #14 isn't it? Team gutting is an unfair competative advantage which is why the admins have taken great pains to put in things like the fair trade indicator and the chemistry system to deter the practice. I am not saying the chattanooga choo choos did this because of course no one can prove they did, which is exactly why the practice continues. What i can say for certainty is that there are only two possible explanations for how 10 guys moved from one team to another in one giant trade on the same day for little in return - either the chats trading partner is a) at the very least either an idiot for trading away that talent en mass or b) in cahoots and this was a blatant gut job. Bottom line at best this deal is like when Gasol got traded away to the Lakers for a bag of balls.
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Alright, well whatever you guys decide contact me with it, if it is decided it should be reversed than so be it. I'd rather not have this kind of drama.
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Originally posted by Alcapown
They are a group of guys from bacbbreaker forums, they like play alot of mmos together, mamba was running the team, and decided he didnt have the time to invest to be an owner, so on the trade forums he announced he and his guys wanted to find a new team together, there were more but I didnt get all of them, because I had alot of positions filled depth wise. So I was the team they chose due to having to talk to mamba and him liking me as an owner and my program. So he and his guys came over, and I feel like a million bucks, because they are awesome, they bring a lot of life not just to the field but to the team chemistry and forums as well, so I am sorry to you guys for having to go through these accusations, you dont deserve it, and to the people saying it, I hope I explained it enough for you to stop pointing fingers now, because like I have stated, I havent cheated and never will, talk to any of the guys if you want, find the topic deep in trade forums, you will see. So please stop trying to stain my franchise when its not deserving, we are clean and always will be. Dont try to make us the Patriots of BBB 14 when its not deserving, thank you.
actually the richmond speed are like the patriots of BBB #14. you are more like the 97 florida marlins who bought a bunch of talent to win the series. or perhaps more like the 2000 Spanish para-lympic basketball team.
They are a group of guys from bacbbreaker forums, they like play alot of mmos together, mamba was running the team, and decided he didnt have the time to invest to be an owner, so on the trade forums he announced he and his guys wanted to find a new team together, there were more but I didnt get all of them, because I had alot of positions filled depth wise. So I was the team they chose due to having to talk to mamba and him liking me as an owner and my program. So he and his guys came over, and I feel like a million bucks, because they are awesome, they bring a lot of life not just to the field but to the team chemistry and forums as well, so I am sorry to you guys for having to go through these accusations, you dont deserve it, and to the people saying it, I hope I explained it enough for you to stop pointing fingers now, because like I have stated, I havent cheated and never will, talk to any of the guys if you want, find the topic deep in trade forums, you will see. So please stop trying to stain my franchise when its not deserving, we are clean and always will be. Dont try to make us the Patriots of BBB 14 when its not deserving, thank you.
actually the richmond speed are like the patriots of BBB #14. you are more like the 97 florida marlins who bought a bunch of talent to win the series. or perhaps more like the 2000 Spanish para-lympic basketball team.
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Originally posted by Mamba81
Alright, well whatever you guys decide contact me with it, if it is decided it should be reversed than so be it. I'd rather not have this kind of drama.
then don't invade another league by joining a team with 9 of your buddies in the middle of the season.
Don't blame your discomfort on anyone but yourself. I guess if this were to be allowed I could make 9 other players, build them up big and then start selling my services as a mercenary group to the highest bidder every season, or multiple times during a season??? I thought this was a football simulation?
Alright, well whatever you guys decide contact me with it, if it is decided it should be reversed than so be it. I'd rather not have this kind of drama.
then don't invade another league by joining a team with 9 of your buddies in the middle of the season.
Don't blame your discomfort on anyone but yourself. I guess if this were to be allowed I could make 9 other players, build them up big and then start selling my services as a mercenary group to the highest bidder every season, or multiple times during a season??? I thought this was a football simulation?
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Originally posted by cyclone crazy
Originally posted by Mamba81
If you want to bring this to admin, we can just solve it ourselves and disband the players that were signed.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
Your missing the issue. Every other owner in this league has character. They started with a base of players and added low levels to build within their league. The issue isnt with you as a player, as much as with your owner who has no respect for anyone else in his league, players or owners. Your just icing on the crap cake.
With a Base of players? Bullshit, everytime I look at most of the rosters, they have changed. I have the only team in the league that has done this, my chemistry proves it. Every team is adding new guys to improve there team now. I like the, "every other owner in this league has character." once again Bullshit, some do, your owner has 7 of his own guys on the team with 1ea lvl-14, 2ea lvl-13,3ea lvl-12, and a lvl 9. Between him and the GM's they have 11 guys, and that character i take it? The whole respect for people, if he didn't he would not even try defend himself and explain how he got these guys. This has to be the dumbest argument I have ever read on this forum! Everyone is mad cause they think they can not win the West now so they have been cheated. Come you got 10 ringers on your team from 2 guys, so whats your point about, " Character."
Originally posted by Mamba81
If you want to bring this to admin, we can just solve it ourselves and disband the players that were signed.
I don't want to cause this kind of trouble.
Your missing the issue. Every other owner in this league has character. They started with a base of players and added low levels to build within their league. The issue isnt with you as a player, as much as with your owner who has no respect for anyone else in his league, players or owners. Your just icing on the crap cake.
With a Base of players? Bullshit, everytime I look at most of the rosters, they have changed. I have the only team in the league that has done this, my chemistry proves it. Every team is adding new guys to improve there team now. I like the, "every other owner in this league has character." once again Bullshit, some do, your owner has 7 of his own guys on the team with 1ea lvl-14, 2ea lvl-13,3ea lvl-12, and a lvl 9. Between him and the GM's they have 11 guys, and that character i take it? The whole respect for people, if he didn't he would not even try defend himself and explain how he got these guys. This has to be the dumbest argument I have ever read on this forum! Everyone is mad cause they think they can not win the West now so they have been cheated. Come you got 10 ringers on your team from 2 guys, so whats your point about, " Character."
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Originally posted by sting004
Well whatever, I'd say several teams in this league should be in AAA or the Pros even, but thats obviously owners/players decisions. We certainly have one of the most competitive leagues out there.
You're lucky to have found them Alca...at least you didn't cheat like Richmond and the Scoregasms. Wish we had our loss back from Richmond, I've always thought that was pretty unfair to the teams who lost to them.
even more unfair to the team or teams who dont make the playoffs when the speed or scoregasm do. i have pm'd mods about the issue. perhaps we should start a petition? or protest? maybe do like the truckers and farmers do when they are upset - surround borts house with a gridlock of semis and tractors.
Well whatever, I'd say several teams in this league should be in AAA or the Pros even, but thats obviously owners/players decisions. We certainly have one of the most competitive leagues out there.
You're lucky to have found them Alca...at least you didn't cheat like Richmond and the Scoregasms. Wish we had our loss back from Richmond, I've always thought that was pretty unfair to the teams who lost to them.
even more unfair to the team or teams who dont make the playoffs when the speed or scoregasm do. i have pm'd mods about the issue. perhaps we should start a petition? or protest? maybe do like the truckers and farmers do when they are upset - surround borts house with a gridlock of semis and tractors.
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Originally posted by meathead013
i still havent heard a valid argument that explains how all those players switched from a higher league to a lower league
on one hand, its very unfair to jump to a conclusion
on the other hand, how can an outside observer NOT smell something fishy with the explanations youve given
based on what i heard, you gave some kind of magic obama speech and the flock came running. is there more to it than that? did you have ten million dollars in money to spare and shoveled all of it over for these players? if not what did that team get in return?
and although your description sound sincere, ive been reading the boards voraciously and the authentic cheaters always claim their innocence. so i really apologize for this but im gonna need more than your impassioned self defense
i dont wanna feel suspicious. but as a reasonable, fair minded, and pretty sharp person, i dont currently see how i can help it
please help me out
MAGIC OBAMA SPEECH! ROFL!
i still havent heard a valid argument that explains how all those players switched from a higher league to a lower league
on one hand, its very unfair to jump to a conclusion
on the other hand, how can an outside observer NOT smell something fishy with the explanations youve given
based on what i heard, you gave some kind of magic obama speech and the flock came running. is there more to it than that? did you have ten million dollars in money to spare and shoveled all of it over for these players? if not what did that team get in return?
and although your description sound sincere, ive been reading the boards voraciously and the authentic cheaters always claim their innocence. so i really apologize for this but im gonna need more than your impassioned self defense
i dont wanna feel suspicious. but as a reasonable, fair minded, and pretty sharp person, i dont currently see how i can help it
please help me out
MAGIC OBAMA SPEECH! ROFL!
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Originally posted by meathead013
ok fine, good explanation. you didnt intend to cheat and by some definitions maybe it wasnt cheating
but even by your own description two posts ago that sounds an awful lot like gutting
not gutting by someone who intends to make his buddies team the champs, but gutting by a guy who just doesnt care anymore
all good intentions aside, gutting is gutting. you benefitting by someone who lost interest gutting their team
im sorry, yeah you got lucky, yeah you didnt mean any harm, yeah you didnt technically cheat. but i dont think any reasonable person could say that is the kind of thing you do in the spirit of the game
bottom line: you got a windfall of powerful players by giving up virtually nothing. does that sound right to you?
I could not agree more. The explanation provided, even if it was a mutual agreement between some hapless owner who could care less anymore, IS THE PURE DEFINITION OF GUTTING. Alcapown tells us that it was just his good fortune that he happened upon some dude who wasnt interested anymore and so was willing to send his players off for nothing and that we should perhaps congratulate him for being so fortunate. Sorry Sammy Sosa, you knew that this entire deal put you at an unfair competitive advantage. You got caught with the corked bat now own up to it, none of this "no speaka no english" crap. Don't insult your own intelligence by trying to make an argument you didn't know you were gutting the AAA team. Here's to ever team in the league whooping your ass regardless of the ringers you brought in.
ok fine, good explanation. you didnt intend to cheat and by some definitions maybe it wasnt cheating
but even by your own description two posts ago that sounds an awful lot like gutting
not gutting by someone who intends to make his buddies team the champs, but gutting by a guy who just doesnt care anymore
all good intentions aside, gutting is gutting. you benefitting by someone who lost interest gutting their team
im sorry, yeah you got lucky, yeah you didnt mean any harm, yeah you didnt technically cheat. but i dont think any reasonable person could say that is the kind of thing you do in the spirit of the game
bottom line: you got a windfall of powerful players by giving up virtually nothing. does that sound right to you?
I could not agree more. The explanation provided, even if it was a mutual agreement between some hapless owner who could care less anymore, IS THE PURE DEFINITION OF GUTTING. Alcapown tells us that it was just his good fortune that he happened upon some dude who wasnt interested anymore and so was willing to send his players off for nothing and that we should perhaps congratulate him for being so fortunate. Sorry Sammy Sosa, you knew that this entire deal put you at an unfair competitive advantage. You got caught with the corked bat now own up to it, none of this "no speaka no english" crap. Don't insult your own intelligence by trying to make an argument you didn't know you were gutting the AAA team. Here's to ever team in the league whooping your ass regardless of the ringers you brought in.
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Originally posted by Alcapown
Well, I dont know how you define gutting exactly, but he is passing ownership of the team in the post season, and him and his guys wanted off, but ya I see what you are saying, but as far as using someone elses log in ID, I think that is wrong lol, and not on par with whats going on here, but I understand what you are saying, but when I talked to Mamba, saw his post, and heard he is passing ownership, I didnt look at it from the perspective of gutting his team, I looked at if from what my perspective, and I think any owner in this league wouldve loved to have gotten these guys, I put my cards on the table, and opposed to the hundreds of offers he had to choose from, he picked mine, and some of his guys followed some didnt, but I think any owner would have done the exact same thing. I dont see the wrong on MY part. I had a great teal for my team, I didnt gut a team, thats not my decision. But I understand what you are saying, I just dont want to be labeled a cheater when I did nothing against the reals that would constitute calling me a cheater. And I think you can agree with that. But I see what you are saying.
you dont see anything wrong with this situation? how about the new owner of the AAA team who is going to inherit the cash and garbage you sent over for the crew of ringers?
Well, I dont know how you define gutting exactly, but he is passing ownership of the team in the post season, and him and his guys wanted off, but ya I see what you are saying, but as far as using someone elses log in ID, I think that is wrong lol, and not on par with whats going on here, but I understand what you are saying, but when I talked to Mamba, saw his post, and heard he is passing ownership, I didnt look at it from the perspective of gutting his team, I looked at if from what my perspective, and I think any owner in this league wouldve loved to have gotten these guys, I put my cards on the table, and opposed to the hundreds of offers he had to choose from, he picked mine, and some of his guys followed some didnt, but I think any owner would have done the exact same thing. I dont see the wrong on MY part. I had a great teal for my team, I didnt gut a team, thats not my decision. But I understand what you are saying, I just dont want to be labeled a cheater when I did nothing against the reals that would constitute calling me a cheater. And I think you can agree with that. But I see what you are saying.
you dont see anything wrong with this situation? how about the new owner of the AAA team who is going to inherit the cash and garbage you sent over for the crew of ringers?
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Originally posted by General Terms
Originally posted by Alcapown
Well, I dont know how you define gutting exactly, but he is passing ownership of the team in the post season, and him and his guys wanted off, but ya I see what you are saying, but as far as using someone elses log in ID, I think that is wrong lol, and not on par with whats going on here, but I understand what you are saying, but when I talked to Mamba, saw his post, and heard he is passing ownership, I didnt look at it from the perspective of gutting his team, I looked at if from what my perspective, and I think any owner in this league wouldve loved to have gotten these guys, I put my cards on the table, and opposed to the hundreds of offers he had to choose from, he picked mine, and some of his guys followed some didnt, but I think any owner would have done the exact same thing. I dont see the wrong on MY part. I had a great teal for my team, I didnt gut a team, thats not my decision. But I understand what you are saying, I just dont want to be labeled a cheater when I did nothing against the reals that would constitute calling me a cheater. And I think you can agree with that. But I see what you are saying.
you dont see anything wrong with this situation? how about the new owner of the AAA team who is going to inherit the cash and garbage you sent over for the crew of ringers?
He did not trade for these guys, they were all FA's.
Originally posted by Alcapown
Well, I dont know how you define gutting exactly, but he is passing ownership of the team in the post season, and him and his guys wanted off, but ya I see what you are saying, but as far as using someone elses log in ID, I think that is wrong lol, and not on par with whats going on here, but I understand what you are saying, but when I talked to Mamba, saw his post, and heard he is passing ownership, I didnt look at it from the perspective of gutting his team, I looked at if from what my perspective, and I think any owner in this league wouldve loved to have gotten these guys, I put my cards on the table, and opposed to the hundreds of offers he had to choose from, he picked mine, and some of his guys followed some didnt, but I think any owner would have done the exact same thing. I dont see the wrong on MY part. I had a great teal for my team, I didnt gut a team, thats not my decision. But I understand what you are saying, I just dont want to be labeled a cheater when I did nothing against the reals that would constitute calling me a cheater. And I think you can agree with that. But I see what you are saying.
you dont see anything wrong with this situation? how about the new owner of the AAA team who is going to inherit the cash and garbage you sent over for the crew of ringers?
He did not trade for these guys, they were all FA's.
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