Warrior General Games

Originally posted by BradyFTW
And btw, if you don't get the hypocrisy of calling me out while simultaneously condoning an illegal activity (logging into someone else's account), then I don't know what to tell you.


I never condoned the account log-in situation in any way shape form or fashion.

Originally posted by BradyFTW
You keep getting up on your moral high horse with your character-first rhetoric, but in the process you seem to have lost sight of the fact that nothing was done by Catspaw that suggests poor character. He did his job, and didn't break any rules doing it. You'd think that at some point, after multiple other players from multiple other teams with no vested interest in the situation attested that what he did isn't a big deal, you're realize that the only spectacle here is being caused entirely by you.
I'm not the only one saying this is wrong, just the most vocal critic. There have many people through out this thread condemning it, other owners in the league, and people with no vested interest in it whatsoever.

There is no need to lie, and try to make this all about me.

Originally posted by Ballbright
You are correct, however, this player has extenuating circumstances, and I don't ever want to give the appearance of impropriety on my part. I'd rather lose a few games and be above reproach, than to have an undefeated season and be the scorn of the league for deals that looked shady.

Scorn of the league? You are severely overestimating the reach of your hissyfit. If you haven't noticed, very few people within the league agree with you on the issue. Most of us recognize it for the nonissue that it is.

Originally posted by BradyFTW
Originally posted by Ballbright

You are correct, however, this player has extenuating circumstances, and I don't ever want to give the appearance of impropriety on my part. I'd rather lose a few games and be above reproach, than to have an undefeated season and be the scorn of the league for deals that looked shady.

Scorn of the league? You are severely overestimating the reach of your hissyfit. If you haven't noticed, very few people within the league agree with you on the issue. Most of us recognize it for the nonissue that it is.

I was speaking hypotheticals there...way to try to needlessly keep this going...perhaps since you aren't involved with this (as I was for defending Billy in the first place), and you apparently have no problem with it, you should just butt out...

Originally posted by Ballbright
Originally posted by BradyFTW

Originally posted by Ballbright


You are correct, however, this player has extenuating circumstances, and I don't ever want to give the appearance of impropriety on my part. I'd rather lose a few games and be above reproach, than to have an undefeated season and be the scorn of the league for deals that looked shady.

Scorn of the league? You are severely overestimating the reach of your hissyfit. If you haven't noticed, very few people within the league agree with you on the issue. Most of us recognize it for the nonissue that it is.

I was speaking hypotheticals there...way to try to needlessly keep this going...perhaps since you aren't involved with this (as I was for defending Billy in the first place), and you apparently have no problem with it, you should just butt out...

I'm just as 'involved' with this as you are (not at all). That's actually my entire point: this crap isn't any of my business, or your business, or most anyone else's. Let it die.

Originally posted by BradyFTW
Originally posted by Ballbright

Originally posted by BradyFTW


Originally posted by Ballbright



You are correct, however, this player has extenuating circumstances, and I don't ever want to give the appearance of impropriety on my part. I'd rather lose a few games and be above reproach, than to have an undefeated season and be the scorn of the league for deals that looked shady.

Scorn of the league? You are severely overestimating the reach of your hissyfit. If you haven't noticed, very few people within the league agree with you on the issue. Most of us recognize it for the nonissue that it is.

I was speaking hypotheticals there...way to try to needlessly keep this going...perhaps since you aren't involved with this (as I was for defending Billy in the first place), and you apparently have no problem with it, you should just butt out...

I'm just as 'involved' with this as you are (not at all). That's actually my entire point: this crap isn't any of my business, or your business, or most anyone else's. Let it die.

It is my business, and if you don't like it there is no need for you to post about it...quit trying to be argumentative with me...it's pointless. You don't like what I'm doing..move on...

LOL at you telling someone to move on. Ohhh the Irony.

Originally posted by kevins4484
LOL at you telling someone to move on. Ohhh the Irony.



"LOL"

It's not actually an irony...

Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by catspaw27


From a business standpoint, isn't releasing a player just stupid?

In this case, I will agree with ballbright. It's a good move on his part, and I respect him for 1) bellying up and saying he wants joemalaka and 2) staking a claim early.

It also leaves Mojo Dojo in Oceania Pros, with the ability to come back and haunt the Bandits. Now that's intrigue.

OK, so I will commit that when trading opens back up I will give the GBR Sharks the right of first refusal on Mojo Dojo.

Oh, wait...isn't that collusion? Wasn't it argued that he would need to be offered to every team to make it legal? Just want to make sure we are on the same page here...

I have stated I only want a release. You can sit me on the bench paying my salary for another season or release me. You have the right to trade me, but I have already stated what would happen.

Again I do not know catspaw27 benefiting with Mojo Dojo at all. I would rather the player retire than for that to happen. I believe what happened was wrong and this is what I am standing by.

Catspaw has lied about what happened and avoided my points when brought up about those lies. I want nothing at all to do with helping his team in the least bit.



OK, then retire. Then I won't have to pay the salary.

You will have your chance when the market opens again. I have already stated that he will be put on the open market, you have the right of first refusal, and ballbright also would like a shot.

It seems that the issue is pretty much a moot point. If you want to retire then I will make the analogy of the kid who decides that because his team isn't winning, he takes his ball and goes home.

Otherwise Mojo Dojo isn't in a position of power. You, however, are since you own your own team and can pay for liberation. I won't hold Dojo hostage, I'll just take what the market bears on the first day of trading.

I'm still into keeping this all simple.

Originally posted by catspaw27
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by joemalaka


Originally posted by catspaw27



From a business standpoint, isn't releasing a player just stupid?

In this case, I will agree with ballbright. It's a good move on his part, and I respect him for 1) bellying up and saying he wants joemalaka and 2) staking a claim early.

It also leaves Mojo Dojo in Oceania Pros, with the ability to come back and haunt the Bandits. Now that's intrigue.

OK, so I will commit that when trading opens back up I will give the GBR Sharks the right of first refusal on Mojo Dojo.

Oh, wait...isn't that collusion? Wasn't it argued that he would need to be offered to every team to make it legal? Just want to make sure we are on the same page here...

I have stated I only want a release. You can sit me on the bench paying my salary for another season or release me. You have the right to trade me, but I have already stated what would happen.

Again I do not know catspaw27 benefiting with Mojo Dojo at all. I would rather the player retire than for that to happen. I believe what happened was wrong and this is what I am standing by.

Catspaw has lied about what happened and avoided my points when brought up about those lies. I want nothing at all to do with helping his team in the least bit.



OK, then retire. Then I won't have to pay the salary.

You will have your chance when the market opens again. I have already stated that he will be put on the open market, you have the right of first refusal, and ballbright also would like a shot.

It seems that the issue is pretty much a moot point. If you want to retire then I will make the analogy of the kid who decides that because his team isn't winning, he takes his ball and goes home.

Otherwise Mojo Dojo isn't in a position of power. You, however, are since you own your own team and can pay for liberation. I won't hold Dojo hostage, I'll just take what the market bears on the first day of trading.

I'm still into keeping this all simple.

I have stated I want your team helped in no way. I cannot say this enough.

If you answer on why on why you lied about the order of the events and release all PM's show you lied, AND you say why you so quickly benched me, and if you release an unedited version of the private forum post where you said the HB was inactive (not on and off), then I will level up Mojo for anyone you sell or trade him to. If you do not, I will not level up Mojo to any team sold or traded to.

Simply release Mojo, so that way you get nothing in return. Or do the above. Choice is yours. I do hold the power of what my player does. If you trade or sell him knowing I will not level him, I will not use any equipment, and I will be inactive with him....then you have to answer to why you still traded/selling him knowing this.

Remember cats, you started this all. You could have written me before the benching, but did not. You decided to immediately bench me before any discussion. You quickly decided what you wanted to happen, so this is what happens. You decided to lie about the order of events. You decided to release small parts of private PM's, without releasing all the PM's (which Mods are looking into, btw). You decided to lie about the level of activity of the HB traded. You have brought all this on when it never needed to happen.

I have stood my ground since day 1. Straight forward about everything. You have not.

PS - Since you said fine, retire..does that mean you will release me? You know the only way I can retire is if you release me.

Originally posted by billyvassi

I IMed catspaw and asked if he would like that CB, he said yes and offered a fair trade for him of equal levels. He didn't even know I was gutting a team.




For those that don't understand why I'm angry this sentence from Billyvassi is why...

In it he admits to contacting an owner of a team he was on with the sole purpose of bettering that team at the expense of the one he is GMing. He admits he is gutting the team, he admits he contacted the owner of the team he is on (Catspaw), and he admits to setting up the deal. BillyVasssi knew, from the Bandit's private forum, that Catspaw27 wanted a CB.

Gutting is illegal. Trading players from a team you're gutting to a team you're on is unethical.

Colluding, as defined by this site, is stripping a team of it's resources for the purpose of benefiting another. I'll understand if you don't see it the way I do, but that is what I see having occurred here.

The fact that Billy mislead the mods and others in the original thread claiming not to have traded people to teams he was on, and the fact that the Bandits attempted to cover it up when one of their own was honest enough to point it out, only exacerbates the look of impropriety here.

Those are the issues to me...everything else in this convoluted thread is peripheral.

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Wait... this thread can't end. Quick! Someone copy and paste something from 15 pages ago that we can argue about!

Maybe we can put a political or religious angle on it. That will last another 15 pages.

Nah, I'm just gonna let it go. Thanks guys, it was very entertaining.

Cheers

I'm predicting about 2 more pages of posts before the whole "don't trade me, release me" debate spirals out of control and Godwin's law gets invoked.