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Invite please.

Yeah ... uhm ... no.

Originally posted by mandyross
Originally posted by Team Nucleus

This forum is a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right.


Yeah ... uhm ... yeah.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah ... uhm ... no.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah ... uhm ... no.

Get it?

This forum is fantastic. Ive learned more in there about the game than anywhere else in GLB.

It's run by two guys who have never had any success in GLB, and there are plenty of other places to get better advice. If this private forum helps you, that's nice, but to say that it's "a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right" is clearly absurd.


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Having the private forum's attempt at a team be a complete failure didn't help matters either. The people who are genuinely good at this game (like me) will give advice in the public forums. You don't need to join anything private to get "expert" help, and you should be careful about taking advice from people who have never achieved anything.

Originally posted by jdbolick
It's run by two guys who have never had any success in GLB, and there are plenty of other places to get better advice. If this private forum helps you, that's nice, but to say that it's "a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right" is clearly absurd.


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Having the private forum's attempt at a team be a complete failure didn't help matters either. The people who are genuinely good at this game (like me) will give advice in the public forums. You don't need to join anything private to get "expert" help, and you should be careful about taking advice from people who have never achieved anything.

People should be wary of self-claimed prophets. Someone else had something good to say about a forum that I manage. All I do is prevent people from trolling and make sure conversations are constructive. Being that you arent actually in this forum, you have no idea what its actually like in there, so how can you start spouting diarrhea like this with no factual basis? Is this how you give advice? Its not how we give advice, we actually look shit up and collect data.

And being that I have only made 7 dots, two of which made it to the WL and were successful in various Pro leagues, you actually have no idea what you are talking about. And theres probably atleast 30 different very successful agents who do post regularly if you want to continue to claim I have had no success. Not everyone has a crapload of money to sink into 20 dots to only have 5 be ok. Im more of a one shot, one kill kinda guy, and thats my approach to building as well; thats all of our approaches to building. Welcome to the builds forum

Please stop trolling this thread.

I'm not trolling the thread at all, I'm saying that it's wrong for you guys to claim that it's "a must for every agent" and "Join this or your not playing this game right." It's a fact that neither you or mandyross have had any high level success in GLB, and it's true that people can get advice from agents who have had it in the public forums of GLB. People who don't know any better might actually believe mandyross' post and think that they need to be in this private forum, and that they should take your advice as if you've achieved anything.

But honestly, my biggest gripe is with anyone attempts to control who gets access to information. Every successful WL agent who actually cares about the game and wants to help people shouldn't condone this type of limited access. Someone shouldn't need to go to a private forum to get help, but all too often private forums have been used to hoard and hide information. I find that deplorable. Meanwhile everything I've discovered through build experimentation and various testing, I've chosen to share with everyone in the public forums. I encourage users looking for advice to post in FAQ, and agents who have actually had high level success to post their experiences and information there. It's fine for you to have your private forum, but it's wrong to pretend like it's "a must for every agent" or that people with questions can't get even better advice elsewhere.


Originally posted by TheGreatAus
And being that I have only made 7 dots, two of which made it to the WL
In the interests of accuracy, you should note that those two dots that played in the WL only did so for one season on a team that went 2-14.

Originally posted by jdbolick
I'm not trolling the thread at all, I'm saying that it's wrong for you guys to claim that it's "a must for every agent" and "Join this or your not playing this game right." It's a fact that neither you or mandyross have had any high level success in GLB, and it's true that people can get advice from agents who have had it in the public forums of GLB. People who don't know any better might actually believe mandyross' post and think that they need to be in this private forum, and that they should take your advice as if you've achieved anything.

But honestly, my biggest gripe is with anyone attempts to control who gets access to information. Every successful WL agent who actually cares about the game and wants to help people shouldn't condone this type of limited access. Someone shouldn't need to go to a private forum to get help, but all too often private forums have been used to hoard and hide information. I find that deplorable. Meanwhile everything I've discovered through build experimentation and various testing, I've chosen to share with everyone in the public forums. I encourage users looking for advice to post in FAQ, and agents who have actually had high level success to post their experiences and information there. It's fine for you to have your private forum, but it's wrong to pretend like it's "a must for every agent" or that people with questions can't get even better advice elsewhere.

First off, do you know how much BS is posted in GLB main? How many threads get derailed by random BS? Not only that, but GLB wiki is essentially useless. Not completely, but many intricacies and many questions go unanswered if you try to use that site as your main info. So GLB main and GLB wiki, with regards to finding any useful info, is spotty at best. You might call it hoarding of information, but I call it putting information, valued links, in an easily accessible spot for people in that forum.

I have never 'limited access' to this forum. If you wanted an invite, I'd send it. If you started to troll, or give bad info, I'd kick you out. Its that simple. Im an intellectual bouncer if you will. So again, your claims are ignant since you ARENT IN THE FORUM. You have no idea what you are actually talking about, AGAIN. ITS was even in their for a minute! We don't filter people out. I have, however, kicked one dude for being a piece of trash, and that was a year and a half ago. That was the only filtering we have ever done.

People who post good things about the Build Advice forum are people I dont know. So everything you see here, is a new user/agent or a veteran who posted of their own volition, it is not me or mandyross posting it.

So, in the end, what you are doing IS TROLLING. I have repeatedly told you that this is an open forum for ANYONE to join. I have had success at building dots, just have a look. My recent dots have won awards. Other agents dots in that forum, have won awards. So, until you get a clue, again, please stop posting in here, youve been warned.

Originally posted by jdbolick

In the interests of accuracy, you should note that those two dots that played in the WL only did so for one season on a team that went 2-14.

And your point? Those were my 4th and 5th dots, their effective levels for that time were comparable to some of the best dots in the WL at that time, so again, get a clue. And not to slander that team, but most of that team was largely outmatched, especially the offensive line. But I learned a lot that season about a multitude of aspects of QB's and what works and what doesnt do in large part to experimentation. All of which I have shared with people in this builds forum when the questions arise.

Check out my most recent dots. Maybe someday my WR will school yours in the WL and we will see who gets the last laugh. Or my dots on the GLB Network team. I will gladly accept any dot face off you'd like to have. This e-peen contest is over.

This Builds Forum is open to all, and always has been. There are quality agents who post. If you simply dont want to be in this forum because of me, you are doing yourself a disservice since the conversations we have in there are generally leagues better than what goes on in GLB main...but you wouldnt know, so stop saying otherwise.

Originally posted by jdbolick
It's run by two guys who have never had any success in GLB, and there are plenty of other places to get better advice. If this private forum helps you, that's nice, but to say that it's "a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right" is clearly absurd.


You are somewhat misinformed, to think that the people who run or help this forum for invites etc. are the ones giving the advice is quite naive. In order to work as a fully-functioning advice forum, as well as inviting people who ask in this thread, we also invite people who are active, helpful, have good builds, own / coordinate in the WL and pro and so on to give the advice (I imagine I even invited you at some point). We currently have very active agents inside who have won multiple WL titles as coordinators, owners, agents with dots on the teams; we have people giving advice who have their players on the "best lolbars" and "top SP value" lists; we have people giving advice who have written build guides (not TSE), coded and spent a lot of time on the Virtual Player Builder, have access either directly or indirectly to some of the top performing dots in WL, and build experimental players to test things. I'd prefer not to namedrop, I'd probably miss someone out which would be a disaster given how precious these sort of agents are!

The above are the people giving advice in here, not a couple of random guys who don't know how to build perfectly (although I have been getting better thanks to this forum ).

As for this forum's attempt at a team, that's news to me and I've been in the forum since it was first started by Virgin Goldstandard when PFs first came out. Recently, we have several times rejected the advances of other networks and teams in order to remain non-affiliated.

This forum works I feel for two things: Firstly that if someone takes the trouble to get in it, if they post asking for advice they are usually thorough and provide enough information so that people can immediately help them without asking for additional details. Secondly, the group of agents who have experience in the game are more prone to enter into discussions inside as there's something about a private forum that means petty insults and bickering are kept at a minimum, and generally everyone is willing to listen and consider other opinions. Possibly also it helps that all the activity is contained in one place, so good agents who give advice do not have to click through loads of subforums to find interesting topics.

This thread should be for people who are interested in joining the forum, and I'd prefer to only post in here confirming that I send invites. I'd like to politely request that you take the posts attempting to have a go at us elsewhere.

Hmmm I see one of my multis has already got this covered. This is the key point:

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
This Builds Forum is open to all, and always has been. There are quality agents who post.

As a final thought, the fact that jdbolick takes affront to this forum and refuses to join it is probably a much better advertisement for it's qualities than any agent quote I reproduce from people who have been helped.

Originally posted by mandyross
As a final thought, the fact that jdbolick takes affront to this forum and refuses to join it is probably a much better advertisement for it's qualities than any agent quote I reproduce from people who have been helped.

seriously, thanks for the quality advertisement!

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
And your point? Those were my 4th and 5th dots, their effective levels for that time were comparable to some of the best dots in the WL at that time, so again, get a clue.
That's not accurate at all. Your QB had a player value of under 1000, which wasn't even close to the best in the WL at that time. In fact, all but one of his attributes was below 80. If your builds were comparable to the better ones of that era, you would have been able to play in the WL more than one season for a terrible team. That said, you don't have to be a great builder or have high level success in order to enjoy the game, but it is relevant to giving advice for others.

Originally posted by
This Builds Forum is open to all, and always has been. There are quality agents who post. If you simply dont want to be in this forum because of me, you are doing yourself a disservice since the conversations we have in there are generally leagues better than what goes on in GLB main...but you wouldnt know, so stop saying otherwise.
Actually I do know that there have been multiple threads in there created to discuss some of my builds, such as the one about me putting so much agility equipment on my LT. But you're kind of making my point regarding how private forums have damaged the quality of debate in the public forums. During this game's heydey, there were great threads in GLB main where people discovered all kinds of information that probably forms the basis for most of what gets shared in your private forum. Maybe it's a futile wish, but I would prefer if people went back to sharing that information publicly so anyone could read it. Even if that doesn't happen, I don't want people claiming that someone needs to join a private forum to get quality build advice.



Originally posted by mandyross
You are somewhat misinformed, to think that the people who run or help this forum for invites etc. are the ones giving the advice is quite naive.
I never suggested that you two were the only ones giving advice, but a "build advice" forum run by two people who have never had any high level success doesn't seem like it would be "a must for every agent."

Originally posted by
This thread should be for people who are interested in joining the forum, and I'd prefer to only post in here confirming that I send invites. I'd like to politely request that you take the posts attempting to have a go at us elsewhere.
I don't post in this thread when you bump it, but I did object when you posted that "This forum is a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right." That statement was not only inaccurate, but arguably damaging to the site. People can get quality advice from public forums, and it's dishonest to suggest otherwise. Please just stick to advertising your private forum and not implying that agents can't get equal or superior advice in the public forums.

Sorry, I shouldn't have posted at all, it just hit a pet peeve of mine when he said that "This forum is a must for every agent.Join this or your not playing this game right." I'm leaving now; carry on.