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Originally posted by Chysil
I'll probably just edit yours into the OP, not sure what I want to do with it just yet

You could just copy and paste it into a direct email to Bort and see what happens..

Originally posted by Myd
You could just copy and paste it into a direct email to Bort and see what happens..

Myd... somehow I picture you as the kid who got other kids to poke the bear with a stick.

Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
so we cant just freeze dots, we have to freeze the entire account?

Yes. Just freezing dots rather than the account opens up a potential exploit. Policing it would place too much of a burden on Admin. In essence, Admin would have to micro-manage, and that's typically not good for something like GLB. Hence, the idea keeps things simple instead.

Philly, won't work as options 2 and 6 are contradictory. You'd need to freeze each and every player at their exact point when the freeze is envoked. Why?

Agent goes into Freeze on Day 7.
Player X is a FA and hasn't played a game (he's already in Plateau and doesn't have a team).
Player Y has played 3 games in the current season before his freeze.
Player Z has also played 3 games in the current season before the freeze, played 2 additional games then is dumped by his team. (option 6).

Each player is at a different point of stasis - and can only be taken out of stasis at their individual point otherwise they either suffer penalties or gain unfair advantages.

Player X would come out of stasis immediately.
Player Y would come out of stasis on the day that the agent went into freeze.
Player Z would come out of stasis on Day 11, since he's already played 5 games in the current season.
Agent? He should be free to build a new dot at any time once he logs back in - even if it might not make sense to do so to the GLB population.

The golden rule with suggestions like this is if you need this many stipulations to implement it - it's simply not worth implementing. Make is simpler.

Originally posted by greengoose
Philly, won't work as options 2 and 6 are contradictory. You'd need to freeze each and every player at their exact point when the freeze is envoked. Why?

Agent goes into Freeze on Day 7.
Player X is a FA and hasn't played a game (he's already in Plateau and doesn't have a team).
Player Y has played 3 games in the current season before his freeze.
Player Z has also played 3 games in the current season before the freeze, played 2 additional games then is dumped by his team. (option 6).

Each player is at a different point of stasis - and can only be taken out of stasis at their individual point otherwise they either suffer penalties or gain unfair advantages.

Player X would come out of stasis immediately.
Player Y would come out of stasis on the day that the agent went into freeze.
Player Z would come out of stasis on Day 11, since he's already played 5 games in the current season.
Agent? He should be free to build a new dot at any time once he logs back in - even if it might not make sense to do so to the GLB population.

The golden rule with suggestions like this is if you need this many stipulations to implement it - it's simply not worth implementing. Make is simpler.


Agreed. Any "freezing" would HAVE to happen between Day 40 (end of season) and Day 1 (start of season)... and be "un-frozen" on the same day of being frozen (however much time has passed). This way a stasis could be accomplished without damage or unfair gains. There are always solutions to problems... just not enough people who want to put in the effort.

You didn't read Theo's post in the Epic forum, did you?

Personally, I think you are reading too much into this, and creating something out of nothing. There is no real exploit, and the penalty is fairly minor. Your whole point is based upon your own assumptions, leading to circular reasoning. Since all dots in stasis would return as FAs, the smart move is to remove the freeze during the off-season, allowing dots to sign with teams while not missing out on game XP. That would also allow them to gain the 3 new boosts from the flip to the pre-season. If an agent wants to remove the freeze at another point while wasting time, training, and game XP trying to find a new contract, that's their bad, not GLB's. They would be penalizing themselves. They aren't gaining anymore VXP, BT, or SP by the idea suggested. Even if they managed to somehow get more XP, a dot cannot progress past level 79. Furthermore, age decides when extended plateau is reached. This is what the whole concept of the freeze revolves around. As long as the freeze halts aging, it minimizes the risk associated with stasis.

The funny thing is that you fail to state what penalties or unfair advantages you foresee, leaving it all guess work. In the OP, I already admitted there would be a slight penalty, but it was minor enough that most would likely be willing to deal with it. The real issue is an exploit - or unfair advantage. So if you envision one, then you can't speak in ambiguities while looking for it to be addressed properly.

Developmental player are the only ones that need to have kid gloves put on their freezing. Freeze means stop in place and resume at the same place you left off. That means if my developmental player gets frozen on Day 10, I can't play with him again until Day 11 in whatever season it is when I come back.

Plateau players is moot, you freeze them and they become eligible to play immediately upon return since they can't train anymore.

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Can't make it any plainer than this example:

I make a player on Day 40
I leave and my player is frozen on Day 6. I.e. he's 6 days old.

If my player gets unfrozen on Day 41, I either have an entire offseason of additional training added to my players career - since he doesn't age. OR, if he's aged to Day 40, then he's lost nearly an entire season of training and I might as well just retire him anyway.

Yup, as Chysil said, this is duplicate and already up for vote. Going to merge.

I had a tough time writing that post last night. I was dead tired because of working 36 hours the past 3 days. I have a lot to catch up on because of that, but last night I really wasn't up to it.

As far as training during the season, if the agent is using auto-train, then that doesn't really matter in regards to the freeze. He won't lose much as long as the auto-training is set up properly.

As far as off-season training, I think we need to look at some hard numbers to get a feel for how big of a difference it really would be. I think in most cases, we are only talking maybe 2 or 3 attribute points....not a big deal. But if people think it would be, then let's do some runs for a few builds and see what kinds of gains are made during the off-season at various levels. I would do it now, but I don't have the time. My work schedule is nuts right now.

And yes, I agree ideally that the freeze should be invoked and lifted between day 41 and day 48. However, there are situations where that is not feasible given the intended purpose. So the question becomes how to make other options feasible. Not every owner is going want a "lame duck" on his team. Not every dot will be on a team. As long as the dot is on a team, he enters stasis after the season ends. I don't think owners would like it much if GLB told them that they "must" keep a lame duck on the team until the season ends. I tend to think there has to be a viable solution that is either being overlooked or is being resisted by a handful of people, but a solution must exist somewhere.

The bottom line is that this isn't just about dots, builds, and agents.....this is about good business and building/expanding a loyal customer base. It's not all about good intentions.

Originally posted by greengoose
Developmental player are the only ones that need to have kid gloves put on their freezing. Freeze means stop in place and resume at the same place you left off. That means if my developmental player gets frozen on Day 10, I can't play with him again until Day 11 in whatever season it is when I come back.

Plateau players is moot, you freeze them and they become eligible to play immediately upon return since they can't train anymore.

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Can't make it any plainer than this example:

I make a player on Day 40
I leave and my player is frozen on Day 6. I.e. he's 6 days old.

If my player gets unfrozen on Day 41, I either have an entire offseason of additional training added to my players career - since he doesn't age. OR, if he's aged to Day 40, then he's lost nearly an entire season of training and I might as well just retire him anyway.

No. Again... it would work as follows. You need to leave GLB for an extended period of time so you file for a "Freeze" of your account. This "Freeze would ONLY take place between the END of a season and the START of another. This way it does not effect teams already in season. All of your dots would be "frozen in time". They get no experience... no age... no VP gains... nothing. Until you re-join GLB and "un-freeze" your account. Then your dots would also be "unfrozen" to the day of the time they were frozen.
Say you miss 2 seasons of play and your dot in question is level 52 / age 160 days UPON the last day of the last season you were here (for sakes safe, we'll consider it the current season, season 29). So, when you return in season 31, your dot would "unfreeze" on the last day of that season. He would look exactly as you had left him... level 52 / age 160. You lose nothing except the time you missed and wouldn't be on the team you were on anymore... you'd be a FA. You could pick up training right where you left off. All of your flex you had would still be there. You would simply miss 2 seasons. Your player DOES NOT AGE during the time he is frozen. It cannot work any other way, really... because anything else could be exploited or cause other problems.

Greengoose's point is about the timing in which dots become "unfrozen" rather than when the freeze initially takes place. The phrasing has been a bit awkward, but I admit he has a point about off-season. I just think it is a minor point at best. Furthermore, any agent who does this repeatedly - forming a pattern of behavior - risks being permanently banned. That shouldn't be overlooked. One extra off-season of training should not be a big deal, but 4 or 5 actually could be. So Admin needs to police this when freeze requests are placed. It should take only a minute to check on this. So I don't even see what the big deal is there.

Damn....I'm still tired. Guess, I'll have to get back to this tomorrow...

Okay.....getting back to this, and sorting things out...

Greengoose is advocating a "hard" freeze over a "soft" freeze, meaning that once the freeze is activated, all dots are immediately placed in stasis, which also means they would be removed from team rosters and the marketplace until re-activated. Furthermore, re-activation can only happen at the same point in the season that the freeze was initiated.

His issue is the time discrepancies involved with allowing a "soft" freeze combined with re-activation during any part of the pre-season, season, or off-season.

So the question is what real impact would these discrepancies have?

My point - and also Theo's - is that as long as a dot remains on a team, stasis does not begin until the off-season. We also agree that the freeze should be lifted during the off-season for these players, avoiding penalties and exploits. If a dot misses out on some training gains because of poorly set-up auto training or ALGs, that's the agent's fault. If he doesn't train at all, he still has the training points to use when the freeze is lifted, just like VPs, SPs, BTs, and boosts. But these are all earned in normal fashion prior to the stasis.

So, the issue becomes about dots who are not on a team. This is where the hard freeze was proposed. A soft freeze would definitely penalize the dot. A hard freeze would preserve the dot. The problem is in the timing of re-activation....and this is where Greengoose has a point. Technically, re-activation for such dots should only be allowed during the pre-season, disallowing such dots from gaining additional unearned training points during the off-season. It would still allow the dots time to find contracts with teams. Even then, the dot isn't aging during this time, so technically we have the same problem as with re-activation during the off-season.

Here's what I propose then:

The agent may request re-activation of the account at any time, allowing him to sign contracts, participate in games and the forums. However, the dot will not begin aging, accruing XP, VXP, TP, or Boosts until he reaches the point in the season where the freeze had been initiated. Then the dot will pick up right where he left off. The agent can spend any point accrued prior to the freeze, he simply won't gain any until the proper day is reached.

This allows agents to be active and involved while keeping the stasis free of exploits or unnecessary penalties. It also gives the agent time to learn of changes implemented during his absence, to ask questions and have them answered. In other words, it gives the agent time to re-familiarize with the game.

Originally posted by Banned
actually not a bad suggestion, people thatr serve in the armed forces should not come back and be ruined

ha ha boltz

Philly, I think this whole worry about freezing and such has such an easy answer. Right now, what would happen if someone joined GLB just after the middle of the season? Could they build dots? Yes... but it would suck like hell. Most find out they have to wait until the end of the current season before they should start building dots. This simple logic also applies here to "freezing". If you need to be away from GLB for whatever reason... for an extended period of time... then you shouldn't be penalized for this. You ARE currently. You could leave... your dots would simply exist, not train properly, not level up, get dropped from the team at end of season due to inactivity, and all that rot. When you come back they'd be far behind and worthless. You'd have to recycle and start over. This suggestion of "freezing" BEST fits when you think of it in this manner.
My thoughts are simply this; You could request a "freeze" at any time... but it would not take effect until the end of the current season. You can request being "unfrozen" at any time... but such would not take effect until the end of the current season. This solves all issues by making the freezing and unfreezing days identical (even though seasons have passed), making the issue of "missing days/exp/vp's/whatever" moot. You could even pro-rate an "unfeeezing" up to the last day of the season the same way it's handled now with building a dot. But ONLY until last day of season. If you request your "unfreezing" after a season starts, you would have to wait until the end of that season to have dots "unfrozen". While this sounds like a bad thing, it isn't. Right now there's nothing in place at all of this magnitude. To even be able to have your account frozen is much better than it currently stands and is MUCH better than nothing at all... which we have now.

+1 (almost forgot! )