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WiSeIVIaN
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The main reason OP isn't getting TDs is because his team is outmatched in its current league and the offense as a whole is ineffective, though QB build and offensive AI tactics play a big role as well.

This is fairly simply to reverse enguineer the awnser to OP's question btw...
Why doesn't he have more TDs? cause he doesn't have more catches.
Why doesn't he have more catches (in ways he can control)? cause he is not getting thrown to.
How can he get thrown to more? He needs to get open more.
How can he get open more? Agility/speed to create seperation.

So there you have it, pump agility/speed, as well as making sure all your equipment is on agility/speed.
 
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
The main reason OP isn't getting TDs is because his team is outmatched in its current league and the offense as a whole is ineffective, though QB build and offensive AI tactics play a big role as well.

This is fairly simply to reverse enguineer the awnser to OP's question btw...
Why doesn't he have more TDs? cause he doesn't have more catches.
Why doesn't he have more catches (in ways he can control)? cause he is not getting thrown to.
How can he get thrown to more? He needs to get open more.
How can he get open more? Agility/speed to create seperation.

So there you have it, pump agility/speed, as well as making sure all your equipment is on agility/speed.


^ That 100%

Unless of course you are being targeted but the QB is horrible. Like I said before the build isn't bad, possibly just overmatched. (Haven't looked at the league)

 
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Warbucks.

First off, carrying has a pretty big effect on breaking tackles because bort is crazy and made it so. Simply how it is, nothing to argue about here.

For the # or WR's arguement, personally I beleive any owner who has a number of WR's different than 4 is doing their players/team a dis-service, though I suppose I could almost understand 5 WR's on a team. All teams should have about the same number of WR's, so it should be a mute point at any rate.

I sound like a know-it-all on specific subjects because I beleive I tend to have a good amount of knowledge on the subject. I have a proven track record with the WR's on my team, as well as a complete crapload of keen observation of builds throughout recruiting/trade block/and build forums. I do not, however, walk around telling people possibly incorrect things for which I have no evidence simply because I think I am smart, which is what some people tend to do... If this makes me come off as an arrogant know-it-all, then so be it I suppose.

My own WR chad hill got 143 catches and 1646 yards last year on an offense that passed 55% of their plays in season 3. He is currently averaging 8.5 receptions and 91 yards per game on an offense that is passing 60.8% of the time. Last season we ran for over 2400 yards. This season we are on pace to rush for over 2700 yards. To assume every productive WR in this game is on a team that passes 80%+, or even 70%+ is just plain incorrect...

The biggest factor in getting good stats is being part of a successful offense that keeps the ball moving, regardless of via air or ground, since that leads to more opportunities for the player. A successful offense can be had with a good gameplan and good builds. These good builds, directly translate into having a successful offense that can keep drives alive. Good builds both directly and indirectly lead to good stats in general my friend. If you take some guy who's a #1 WR averaging 3 catches a game, and you bump his offense to 80% passing, he might get 4 catches/game. He will not suddenly transform into Jerry Rice...

No stat, neither ypc or catches/game will tell you everything about a WR. Catches IMO is a more telling stat though as long as you take into account the players previous team situation and spot on the depth chart. For instance on my team our #4 WR has 10 catches in 6 games, but he also does return duties and is in a role where he doesn't get quite as many plays out there at WR (not to mention having to compete with a ton of other weapons for our QB's attention). I have no doubt though if he was higher on the depth chart on another team he'd be studding it up, based solely on his build.

^why I sound like a know-it-all....
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^ Mouthful there but it all makes sense. Great post. Looking at your players stats you definitely know what you're talking about. They all seem to be doing really well.
 
WiSeIVIaN
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Your WR doesn't seem to be doing too shabby either Alex. If your team ever magically implodes, feel free to shoot me a PM if your WR ever needs a team, lol.
 
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Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
You don't get a lot of separation judging by your 11 receptions this season. either that or your qbs don't like you. so, speed and agility are likely the stats to raise, if not a little vision.


Me on page one, so it seems we're likeminded anyway.
My last post before this one was just to provide an alternate perspective that might've not been mentioned.

I wasn't calling you a knowitall FYI.

As for carrying, it helps with breaking tackles and avoiding tackles, either by means of strength or agility. It's good for either.
I was just saying that in my opinion it's more useful for avoiding tackles considering that to go into strength you sacrifice something more useful, but to have agility is a basic thing for all WRs since you need it to accelerate and for most of the SAs. I'd actually condone raising carrying before ever raising strength in the typical WR build simply because while strength can sometimes give you a broken tackle, carrying will more ensure you fumble less when hit hard after a catch, and under even the slight suspicion that it helps you juke or spin, that makes it infinitely better to me personally.

Originally posted by
For the # or WR's arguement, personally I beleive any owner who has a number of WR's different than 4 is doing their players/team a dis-service, though I suppose I could almost understand 5 WR's on a team. All teams should have about the same number of WR's, so it should be a mute point at any rate.

This I agree with 100%. It really sucks to have overloaded positions, limitting the amount each player gets on the field regardless of stamina.
 
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Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

You don't get a lot of separation judging by your 11 receptions this season. either that or your qbs don't like you. so, speed and agility are likely the stats to raise, if not a little vision.


Me on page one, so it seems we're likeminded anyway.
My last post before this one was just to provide an alternate perspective that might've not been mentioned.

I wasn't calling you a knowitall FYI.

As for carrying, it helps with breaking tackles and avoiding tackles, either by means of strength or agility. It's good for either.
I was just saying that in my opinion it's more useful for avoiding tackles considering that to go into strength you sacrifice something more useful, but to have agility is a basic thing for all WRs since you need it to accelerate and for most of the SAs. I'd actually condone raising carrying before ever raising strength in the typical WR build simply because while strength can sometimes give you a broken tackle, carrying will more ensure you fumble less when hit hard after a catch, and under even the slight suspicion that it helps you juke or spin, that makes it infinitely better to me personally.

Originally posted by

For the # or WR's arguement, personally I beleive any owner who has a number of WR's different than 4 is doing their players/team a dis-service, though I suppose I could almost understand 5 WR's on a team. All teams should have about the same number of WR's, so it should be a mute point at any rate.

This I agree with 100%. It really sucks to have overloaded positions, limitting the amount each player gets on the field regardless of stamina.


The reason I would never put points in carrying is this.....I've never touched it and have one fumble to show for it. Maybe it does have an effect on the SA's I don't know.

The fact that power backs have done well this season though and CB's usually cant tackle makes me think maybe strength is more useful at least this year.
 
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Originally posted by Alex44
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks


You don't get a lot of separation judging by your 11 receptions this season. either that or your qbs don't like you. so, speed and agility are likely the stats to raise, if not a little vision.


Me on page one, so it seems we're likeminded anyway.
My last post before this one was just to provide an alternate perspective that might've not been mentioned.

I wasn't calling you a knowitall FYI.

As for carrying, it helps with breaking tackles and avoiding tackles, either by means of strength or agility. It's good for either.
I was just saying that in my opinion it's more useful for avoiding tackles considering that to go into strength you sacrifice something more useful, but to have agility is a basic thing for all WRs since you need it to accelerate and for most of the SAs. I'd actually condone raising carrying before ever raising strength in the typical WR build simply because while strength can sometimes give you a broken tackle, carrying will more ensure you fumble less when hit hard after a catch, and under even the slight suspicion that it helps you juke or spin, that makes it infinitely better to me personally.

Originally posted by


For the # or WR's arguement, personally I beleive any owner who has a number of WR's different than 4 is doing their players/team a dis-service, though I suppose I could almost understand 5 WR's on a team. All teams should have about the same number of WR's, so it should be a mute point at any rate.

This I agree with 100%. It really sucks to have overloaded positions, limitting the amount each player gets on the field regardless of stamina.


The reason I would never put points in carrying is this.....I've never touched it and have one fumble to show for it. Maybe it does have an effect on the SA's I don't know.

The fact that power backs have done well this season though and CB's usually cant tackle makes me think maybe strength is more useful at least this year.


I believe you can have good YAC results if you spend points on carrying , but I don't think many WRs can afford that and here's why:

If you don't get open in the first place , why worry about what to do after you get the ball ?

If you get a lot of catches and gets fine seperation then I would go ahead and put points in carrying , otherwise I would go for getting seperation/catches instead .
 
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