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Oh I was just flipping your lame argument that you used before to the converse, but anyway you slice it you still can't make a logical case for deserving the award. The YPC isn't going to change, but the TD scoring which is the ultimate objective of an offense isn't going to change either, and that's where your guy couldn't get it done.

Oh and he didnt hang on to the ball either.

15 fumbles to 2 for E.D.

Your awards are a sham, you don't deserve them and you certainly didn't earn them, plain and simple.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Oh I was just flipping your lame argument that you used before to the converse, but anyway you slice it you still can't make a logical case for deserving the award. The YPC isn't going to change, but the TD scoring which is the ultimate objective of an offense isn't going to change either, and that's where your guy couldn't get it done.

Oh and he didnt hang on to the ball either.

15 fumbles to 2 for E.D.

Your awards are a sham, you don't deserve them and you certainly didn't earn them, plain and simple.

I nominate TSE for the Sorest Loser award.

If you compare their regular season statistics vs the elite teams in the East, it's not even close MJD wins hands down. The same goes for their playoff statistics.

So while there's no question ED is a great back, MJD seems to be quite a bit more successful running against top teams, which is why I think he was deserving.

I also think it's funny that TSE just ignores the whole "E.D. doesn't play against good teams" thing I've been saying this entire time. Not to mention E.D. may have a better TD:rush attempt ratio but he doesn't have more TD's and THAT is what matters. Saying that he COULD have more TD's if he had more rushes is a joke because you didn't give him rushes. If you don't have faith in your own HB in any game other than cupcake wins, he doesn't deserve shit for awards.

MJD clearly was the top HB. No logical argument can be made otherwise.

Anybody that voted for MJD has either not looked at the numbers, or they did a very poor evaluation job, it's not even remotely close.

Originally posted by chad13
I also think it's funny that TSE just ignores the whole "E.D. doesn't play against good teams" thing I've been saying this entire time. Not to mention E.D. may have a better TD:rush attempt ratio but he doesn't have more TD's and THAT is what matters. Saying that he COULD have more TD's if he had more rushes is a joke because you didn't give him rushes. If you don't have faith in your own HB in any game other than cupcake wins, he doesn't deserve shit for awards.

LOL

MJD doesn't play good against good teams either! Your arguments are such a joke. You also make up that "lack of faith" has something to do with him having less carries. Very objective in just assuming stuff that isn't true.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by chad13

I also think it's funny that TSE just ignores the whole "E.D. doesn't play against good teams" thing I've been saying this entire time. Not to mention E.D. may have a better TD:rush attempt ratio but he doesn't have more TD's and THAT is what matters. Saying that he COULD have more TD's if he had more rushes is a joke because you didn't give him rushes. If you don't have faith in your own HB in any game other than cupcake wins, he doesn't deserve shit for awards.

LOL

MJD doesn't play good against good teams either! Your arguments are such a joke. You also make up that "lack of faith" has something to do with him having less carries. Very objective in just assuming stuff that isn't true.


You're right about one thing, it is not even close. MJD has SEVEN HUNDRED MORE RUSHING YARDS. 1 TD does not come close to the production of 700 yards. You want to say your guy wasn't given rushing oppurtunities? Well MJD wasn't given a lot of goal line oppurtunties, many of our GL rushes were by Dayton Rims. When you vote, you don't vote for averages, and what they would of produced if they got more carries, you vote for what they actually did on the field, and MJD did a whole lot more.

I think Coach said it best, your argument is illogical.

P.S. I'm sure Chad will agree with me, but Finkle was the true MVP anyway

Gotta go with MJD on this one dude is a monster. Given the Coyotes won the championship only verifies this even more.

Originally posted by ghost247


You're right about one thing, it is not even close. MJD has SEVEN HUNDRED MORE RUSHING YARDS. 1 TD does not come close to the production of 700 yards. You want to say your guy wasn't given rushing oppurtunities? Well MJD wasn't given a lot of goal line oppurtunties, many of our GL rushes were by Dayton Rims. When you vote, you don't vote for averages, and what they would of produced if they got more carries, you vote for what they actually did on the field, and MJD did a whole lot more.

I think Coach said it best, your argument is illogical.

P.S. I'm sure Chad will agree with me, but Finkle was the true MVP anyway

You have no sense of logic sir.

Seven hundred running yards is an asset, but the carries are a liability, those yards didnt come for free, they came with a HUGE investment of play resources, thus they are worth ZERO for his case. His YPC wasn't any greater and his TD production was terrible, therefore it's a wash that he has extra yards because those could have been carries that another RB or a WR could have just as easily taken. With the opportunities MJD was given, he was a major letdown, at least in terms of top RB talk for OPOY. This is such a joke it's not even close.

My logic is valid and legitimate, and yours is completely irrational and with a very poor sense of mathematics, statistics, and common sense.

I really shouldn't encourage him, but I'm enjoying the show so I'll throw this out there...

YPC taken out to the hundreth:
MJD: 4.70
ED: 4.72


I anticipate the words "joke" and "remotely" will make yet another appearance soon.

Bottom line is most or possibly all of the voters disagree with your "logic" TSE.

Yes, but I believe the owners didn't analyze the data. The voters didn't use logic and think about what makes sense in terms of what an RB does to produce value. There is probably a large bias as well because most owners are intimidated or jealous of the DDL and also frustrated with their frequent shattering losses of trying to debate things with me. Thus, because E.D. is on my team there is probably plenty of hidden agenda for them not to vote for him because of that. They were also likely influenced by the championship victory of your team, which isn't supposed to be part of the regular season awards process.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by ghost247



You're right about one thing, it is not even close. MJD has SEVEN HUNDRED MORE RUSHING YARDS. 1 TD does not come close to the production of 700 yards. You want to say your guy wasn't given rushing oppurtunities? Well MJD wasn't given a lot of goal line oppurtunties, many of our GL rushes were by Dayton Rims. When you vote, you don't vote for averages, and what they would of produced if they got more carries, you vote for what they actually did on the field, and MJD did a whole lot more.

I think Coach said it best, your argument is illogical.

P.S. I'm sure Chad will agree with me, but Finkle was the true MVP anyway

You have no sense of logic sir.

Seven hundred running yards is an asset, but the carries are a liability, those yards didnt come for free, they came with a HUGE investment of play resources, thus they are worth ZERO for his case. His YPC wasn't any greater and his TD production was terrible, therefore it's a wash that he has extra yards because those could have been carries that another RB or a WR could have just as easily taken. With the opportunities MJD was given, he was a major letdown, at least in terms of top RB talk for OPOY. This is such a joke it's not even close.

My logic is valid and legitimate, and yours is completely irrational and with a very poor sense of mathematics, statistics, and common sense.

What? So now we should be voting for people with the best projections instead of totals? Troy Hambrick for MVP! As for the bolded part, change carries to TDs and it works the same for E.D., no? The fact is that KZoo rode MJD against the tough teams, while DDL shied away from E.D. Commence your wordplay.

??? where are you getting projections from? I'm talking about results, E.D. PRODUCED the results, they happened, and they show up on the stat screen. He demolished MJD in them and that's a fact.

I maintain that anybody who voted for MJD is either ignorant to the facts and the stats, biased against E.D. because he's on the DDL, or delusional and inadequate in their ability to use logic and rational thought in deciding who the better performer was. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it, because it has a solid foundation in making sense.