Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Spectre619
When we lost in the playoffs and saw our two games scrimmage games were going to be against 2 of the better east teams, we came out and said that we were going to treat them as playoff caliber games.

That's pretty much my point in a nutshell.

Personally I feel the scrimmage games are a perfect way to experiment with new advanced tactics that you can't risk doing during the regular season (or especially in the post season). But the point in experimenting with those settings isn't to have fun, but to see if you can make your player/team better.

Winning the scrimmage isn't the most important thing. The only value I see in playing in a "better" conference is it makes me feel a little more warm and fuzzy when my team finishes the season in 5th place instead of first, which basically means nothing.

Originally posted by BubbatheHutt
Personally I feel the scrimmage games are a perfect way to experiment with new advanced tactics that you can't risk doing during the regular season (or especially in the post season). But the point in experimenting with those settings isn't to have fun, but to see if you can make your player/team better.

Winning the scrimmage isn't the most important thing. The only value I see in playing in a "better" conference is it makes me feel a little more warm and fuzzy when my team finishes the season in 5th place instead of first, which basically means nothing.

Scrimmage games other than win streak are meaningless.

Speaking for MCD let my GMs and players decide what we're going to do with them.

Last year we did position switches, and got the backups some starting games. This year experimented with tactics we hadn't used before and didn't dare use in a game.

There is no wrong way to play a scrimmage so long as the other team isn't offended by it.

I always tried to clear the position switch games with the other team prior, so they could do it too and not feel cheated.

I'm not going to force my GMs or myself, or my players to scout for games that mean nothing. I'm going to do whats most fun for my guys.

I think the scouting is what's fun =)

Originally posted by Pickster00
Originally posted by tcl

i'm just screwing around.


riiiiight

i was. to be honest i think the west does have a pretty good
case to make on being slightly superior on average.

but it's hard to take such a case seriously when it's laced
with "you other teams are garbage!!1" and if i am supposed
to take seriously that i'm garbage, then you should be
prepared to suck down every piece of slander you incite (not
that i even said anything slanderous imo, but it's certainly
calling for it from the crowd, and others have taken part
due to the call).

i'm also not a fan of using scrimmages as prime material,
again if i am supposed to be taking all this seriously,
but shrug, plenty even more subjective arguments have been
made on here.

if hoax wants to call every other team in the east utterly
worthless, than you should all be prepared for a bunch of
venom-spitting, and/or he should be prepared to make his
case with fact.

at least i was civil and kept my devil's advocacy to
relative figures.

would've been a pretty easy thing for you to do too:
just point to week16.

Originally posted by tcl

if hoax wants to call every other team in the east utterly
worthless, than you should all be prepared for a bunch of
venom-spitting, and/or he should be prepared to make his
case with fact.


its only going to get worse friend. with the new terrible team and the wildcats collapse, im going to have to look for a stronger word next year.

luckily you'll have plenty of time here to figure it out.

Originally posted by Sanderval
*sigh* I am going to say this because some of you seem hell bent on disputing it if it comes from anyone in the West, and this is basically what many of those from the West posting are thinking anyway.

It's really very simple.. if you want to be taken seriously, you can't do things like screw up your roster (which you control), and lose, and then use it as an excuse. If you create the handicap for yourself, then it's not an excuse for losing. And while not everyone did that, the losses, and the nature of some of the losses, deprives most of you of any platform to dispute their claims.

They aren't coming at you guys with just bravado & ego (while that may be present), they're throwing factual data at you & no one is countering back with factual data. It's mostly fact being countered with conjecture or rationalization. And the little bit of factual data being used in your defense is, ultimately, inferior to the nature of the Win/Loss record over the past 2 seasons. If you win your games when you try.. then maybe you should try more often, because no one in the West is going to just take your word for it when they slam you by double, or in some cases triple, digits.

So as much as it may hurt your pride, unless you won all (or at least most) your inter-conference games you simply do not have a solid basis to dispute their position, and if you did, then you are most likely the exception & not the rule. And if you had "fun" with your roster in your scrimmages, like i said last season.. you ultimately helped create this scenario. Maybe you didn't think of how you'd live with the results of said games at the outset, but hopefully the "fun" had from watching goofy sims & watching as OoP players clumsily allow Western teams to march into the end zone is worth the textual abuse your taking now, and will be taking until game 16 next season.

If nothing else, the East is incredibly short sighted compared to the West because the east teams seem to be the only ones doing goofy things with their rosters in scrimmages. Did anyone bother to think, "Hmm.. wonder why the West teams never have "fun" with their rosters?"..maybe because there's a strong correlation between the league that takes the games more serious, and the league that has more inter-conference wins. For two seasons the west has been more serious & eastern teams have wanted to have "fun", & for two seasons the west won more games & made threads about it. Well.. now you see the difference between the eastern version of "fun" & the western version. The western version just lasts 15 weeks plus the offseason while the eastern version lasts a few hours at best.

Whatever benefit of the doubt you were getting, died the moment that 200+ to nothing score was posted. If you haven't made the correlation yet, then you probably earned both your inter-conference score & the numerous threads that will appear to bash your teams because of them. You guys didn't even have to win all the games.. just be competitive, and from what I saw most of the scores were not even competitive.. so no.. no one is going to say your conference is strong, no one is going to complement your team, & no one is going to assume that the score would have been closer if you had tried. If it bothers you to read threads bashing the east, then make threads to talk about how much fun it was to do those goofy scrimmages, so when you post how awkward your linemen was at KR, or how awkward your LB was at WR, the Western teams can wholeheartedly agree with you.. chiming in with anecdotes on how easily they ran past you into the end zone or how effortless it was to sack your TE/QB.

Also, don't even pretend that if the tables were reversed (not likely, but for the sake of making a point) that had the east dominated, that the east would not have made similar threads to the ones the west is making now.

Next season you'll have scrimmages plus the friendlies.. so hopefully for the first time, most of the conference may actually take the scrimmages seriously & have "fun" in the friendlies... but it will probably end up being the opposite.

Edit: For those of you posting that Canton was the notable exception... you're shooting yourself in the the foot because Canton is no longer here.. so that argument is already invalid for next season. If anything, from their perspective you just made a case for how much weaker the east will be.

TL DR

It's extremely confusing the amount of hatred leveled toward guys that just wanted to mess around a little. I fail to see where it:

a) hurt anyone.
b) means anything.

With what Binestar is saying about streaks obviously we wouldn't do it again, but who cares? I wasn't pissed about the loss by 200 to NO, we laughed about it when it happened, we KNEW it was going to happen. It's not like we didn't think we could compete, hell we barely lost to the Humpers last game of the season and won the only game against the east with a properly set roster. Yay, good for us! I fail to get excited.

I believe most of the folks from the West posting in here are actually joking and trying to get people riled up with a little smack talking for good fun, which I enjoy.

Final note, my post about Canton was in the spirit of the banter.

For two seasons the west has been more serious & eastern teams have wanted to have "fun", & for two seasons the west won more games & made threads about it. Well.. now you see the difference between the eastern version of "fun" & the western version. The western version just lasts 15 weeks plus the offseason while the eastern version lasts a few hours at best.


Yes, the Western vewrsion of fun seems to be winning games and shit talking. The Eastern version seems to be goofing around on the non standing games.

Also, I am in the East and I had fun for 15 weeks plus the off season.

I have fun making fun of my teamates in the team forums, since they all suck and i am good.

Originally posted by brialt1
Cept the one that counted. Congratz to Canton

Originally posted by Sanderval

Edit: For those of you posting that Canton was the notable exception... you're shooting yourself in the the foot because Canton is no longer here.. so that argument is already invalid for next season. If anything, from their perspective you just made a case for how much weaker the east will be.

So the East is crap and the West guys kicked our tails, yada yada yada. And which conference is holding the championshiop? Brialt1 said it all.

The title post is about Season 3 - and it's pointless to use what happened this year as a prelude to Season 4.

Originally posted by Binestar
I think the scouting is what's fun =)

GLB Super Nerd!

Originally posted by Lebanon Oilers
The title post is about Season 3 - and it's pointless to use what happened this year as a prelude to Season 4.

I couldn't agree more with that statement.

Originally posted by JerryStegmaier
Originally posted by Lebanon Oilers

The title post is about Season 3 - and it's pointless to use what happened this year as a prelude to Season 4.

I couldn't agree more with that statement.

I'd only agree more if he used the word buttsex in that post somewhere.

Originally posted by Veg
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=12161177

Don't get intercepted by a WR imo.

you guys cheated on this play though, you had an LB at ROLB