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Originally posted by Go Pack 120
Cave to what, exactly? Because what he wants is Canada to become part of the US. That's very obviously not happening. He hasn't made any other demands of Canada that I'm aware of, so I'm not sure what there is to cave to. It's just unnecessary strife, which was been his goal and modus operandi from day 1.

EDIT: Typos

Securing the northern border of the US. This is a dance, that's all it is. Its fun and entertaining, and will be over shortly.

Canada has a population of around 40 million. How exactly are they supposed to secure a 5500 mile border? Should they build a wall, Larry? A wall that would end up being over 40% of the length of the Great Wall of China, perhaps?
We can't even secure the US-Mexico border, which sits at 1950 miles, in case you were wondering, so expecting a country with a tenth of the population to deal with a border nearly three times the size is frankly absurd.
The reasoning is completely asinine. Trump is having a temper tantrum while simultaneously trying to flex his muscles. He's a child. This isn't about logic. It's about being isolationist.

Originally posted by Go Pack 120
Canada has a population of around 40 million. How exactly are they supposed to secure a 5500 mile border? Should they build a wall, Larry? A wall that would end up being over 40% of the length of the Great Wall of China, perhaps?


We live in an era with an amazing amount and level of technology.

Beyond that, look at the words you're using. If you claim to own a home, but wonder "how am I supposed to secure?" it, do you *really* own a home? I secure mine with door locks, a video system, and guns. Why would any country claim to be *sovereign* and yet claim they couldn't secure their own borders?

I'm confused, Larry. Are you suggesting the USA isn't sovereign? We don't have any issues up here, preventing people from crossing into Canada illegally. I think that's more your problem than ours.

As far as fentanyl goes, you should check your facts. There was 22,000 pounds of fentanyl seized crossing into the US last year across the US-Mexico border, compared to just 40 pounds that were seized crossing the Canada-US border. It's a made-up issue.

Even Trump himself felt silly making that suggestion, walking it back and saying the issue with Canada was more about a trade imbalance. But like I said in the opening post, the only reason there's an imbalance at all is because you buy our oil (at a significantly discounted price), which you, in turn, refine in the US, and sell at a profit. If you want us to shut the oil and energy off, we can do so. But you won't like the resulting increased price at the pumps.

We didn't ask for any of this. Your president is deranged.

Because the home isn't yours, Larry. It's a border that is shared by two different countries. See the word "shared" implies joint ownership.

Also, can't you see that every shot you've taken towards Canada also applies to the US even moreso for our inability to "secure" the US/Mexico border? You can't call border security a basic requirement while also trying to foist it entirely on the other country. If it's so damn easy, then why don't we do it? Why don't we at least help?

I don't think Trump was asking for anything unreasonable. Secure the border and stop the massive production of fentanyl that is taking place in Canada. It is a lot easier to get the drugs across the Canadian border than it is to get it across the border with Mexico. Trudeau will use this trade war to create a crisis so that he can send money out to everyone in an attempt to buy the next election.

What part of "40 pounds of fentanyl" do you not understand? The crisis, such as it is, is on the Mexican border. How is Canada supposed to fix the Mexican border?

40 pounds were seized how much got in lol. You might want to search the fentanyl labs that were busted in Canada. How many KGs are being produced in Canada and how much is being transported across the Can/US border undetected?

I can understand where you're coming from with the drug movement. Obviously, we want to limit the transport of the drugs and Canada wants to limit the production. I still think that slapping a tariff on an ally isn't the way to go about encouraging Canada to do something about it. Why didn't we start with a conversation and brain storm on how to deal with the problem? Isn't that the reasonable first step to make?
Based on what Trump said before inauguration, there was never going to be a discussion. And when he was talking about tariffs, he was mainly referring to illegal immigration and moving manufacturing back to the US. We can argue back and forth about how valid those two points are, but the fentanyl trade never came up. So whether he intended to or not, slapping a tariff on Canada for something he never mentioned before makes it look like he just wanted to do it, and he spun a dartboard to come up with an excuse for his actions.
Again, I'm not saying that's what happened, but from my perspective, it's hard to see his actions as anything other than "I do what I want when I want, and I slap whatever justification on it that I can find "

Originally posted by Duff550
40 pounds were seized how much got in lol. You might want to search the fentanyl labs that were busted in Canada. How many KGs are being produced in Canada and how much is being transported across the Can/US border undetected?



So now, your argument is based on a premise for which there is no evidence. Solid case you're building. This just proves that people see what they want to see.

Originally posted by ewinter43
The average American doesn't understand basic economics much less how tariffs work.

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
oh. please walk us through how USA receiving money is bad

Thank you, PLAYMAKERS, for demonstrating ewinter's point more clearly and efficiently than most could have done. You really have no idea how tariffs work.

Tariffs are paid by the importer. In this case: US companies importing goods into the US, who will pass the increased price (ie. tariff) on to their customers: US consumers. So yes, money will flow into the US treasury, but it will be coming from Americans, not Canada. Canada pays a price of lost sales, assuming US importers can find cheaper alternatives. In the case of oil, that's not possible.

So these tariffs will increase the cost of everything, from the gas you buy at the pump, to whatever you buy in the stores - assuming it came by a truck with an internal combustion engine that runs on gas (ie. pretty much everything). So, while your president campaigned on lowering prices, he's actually doing the opposite.

Originally posted by Ravenwood
Thank you, PLAYMAKERS, for demonstrating ewinter's point more clearly and efficiently than most could have done. You really have no idea how tariffs work.

Tariffs are paid by the importer. In this case: US companies importing goods into the US, who will pass the increased price (ie. tariff) on to their customers: US consumers. So yes, money will flow into the US treasury, but it will be coming from Americans, not Canada. Canada pays a price of lost sales, assuming US importers can find cheaper alternatives. In the case of oil, that's not possible.

So these tariffs will increase the cost of everything, from the gas you buy at the pump, to whatever you buy in the stores - assuming it came by a truck with an internal combustion engine that runs on gas (ie. pretty much everything). So, while your president campaigned on lowering prices, he's actually doing the opposite.



Do you have a poster of Justin Trudeau in your bedroom? There is a lot of evidence of how our border with the US is not secure. You can also google how many people on the terror watch list were caught trying to cross into the US from Canada. Are you saying Trump's concerns are not valid?

Not at all. The concerns at the border are very valid, but we already committed a further $1.3 billion back in December to secure it. As of this writing, it seems Trump has agreed to pause the tariffs for 30 days, so happily, cooler heads have prevailed.

I don't have a poster of Trudeau, no. I'm glad he's leaving. Unlike you though, I'm proud to be Canadian, and am not in any rush to become American. You should probably consider moving.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Canada will cave. Watch it happen.

Trump caved.

Originally posted by Mathias82
Trump caved.

Canada caved, a few hours after Mexico did.

Originally posted by Ravenwood
While your president campaigned on lowering prices, he's actually doing the opposite.



He ran on securing our borders and putting America first, and that's what he's doing.