Seems like a waste to light train that early but I am not even going to attempt the math.
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Originally posted by Bane
Yea I enhance and intense 3 times, enhance again then stick to intense...I rarely ever light train before day 160 to 200 depending on AEQ plans unless it's to roll something over
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Yea I enhance and intense 3 times, enhance again then stick to intense...I rarely ever light train before day 160 to 200 depending on AEQ plans unless it's to roll something over
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I did something similar with the light training... However, I only did at after I enhanced my attribute 1x, that way I could enhance 2x in my first two training session. Then I intense trained the remainder of the time... I have 2 dots I did this with. One of them I 3x enhanced when I could, the other I bought an SP to cap with. the 1 has 3x enhance with 4 BT's and the other is 2x enhanced with 7BT's... We'll see how they play out. Right now their builds are exactly the same. Only difference is with the training %, the level of enhanced training and the amount of BT's held. I don't have access to VPB, since I'm not using firefox, so I don't know what the long term would be doing these methods compared to the typical method of intense training from the start and enhancing when able.
Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
Seems like a waste to light train that early but I am not even going to attempt the math.
Originally posted by Bane
Yea I enhance and intense 3 times, enhance again then stick to intense...I rarely ever light train before day 160 to 200 depending on AEQ plans unless it's to roll something over
I've tried it both ways... not sure if I recorded the difference it made. However, the only reason ever to light train is to get BT's. Most people wait until the end of the build because they don't care anymore how much a skill improves when it's trained (I mean, c'mon... if you're light training a skill at level 60+, it ain't like it's gonna move much per training). If you light train at the lowest level of the skill (along with the first star enhancement) you still get almost 30% (or more) boost to the skill from training. It's the only time you'll ever get the MOST out of a light train... ever... IMO. So it just makes sense to me to do it then. It's only twice out of the whole package and you get 12 BT's for doing it vs the 4 BT's you get for the intense, which allows you to boost the skill's training level by 10% each time. The sooner you can get to 20% training, the more you get out of the intense training you do.
Bane's way; You'll enhance the training by 1 star, then spent the next 3 training sessions at only 10% enhancement at intense. Enhance again, and (intense) train at 20% for the next 9 training sessions. Finally you'll enhance to 3 stars and continue on intense at 30% bonus.
Theo's way; You'll enhance, light train one time, enhance again, then spend the next 6 training sessions on intense training with a 20% bonus... light train one time, enhance to 30% bonus and continue on intense training.
I only get 1 training session at 10% and only 6 at 20 % meaning, in my mind, I'll be intense training at 30% faster and longer than the other way. While I get it that the 2 light trains will not gain as much as an intense train would, getting to 30% faster should mitigate that loss and then some. What I do know is, if done right, you can hit that 1st cap without trading BT's for SP's just to get that last missing SP because I've done it. How that meshes with the thinking, I dunno. Too much mental for my tastes.
Seems like a waste to light train that early but I am not even going to attempt the math.
Originally posted by Bane
Yea I enhance and intense 3 times, enhance again then stick to intense...I rarely ever light train before day 160 to 200 depending on AEQ plans unless it's to roll something over
I've tried it both ways... not sure if I recorded the difference it made. However, the only reason ever to light train is to get BT's. Most people wait until the end of the build because they don't care anymore how much a skill improves when it's trained (I mean, c'mon... if you're light training a skill at level 60+, it ain't like it's gonna move much per training). If you light train at the lowest level of the skill (along with the first star enhancement) you still get almost 30% (or more) boost to the skill from training. It's the only time you'll ever get the MOST out of a light train... ever... IMO. So it just makes sense to me to do it then. It's only twice out of the whole package and you get 12 BT's for doing it vs the 4 BT's you get for the intense, which allows you to boost the skill's training level by 10% each time. The sooner you can get to 20% training, the more you get out of the intense training you do.
Bane's way; You'll enhance the training by 1 star, then spent the next 3 training sessions at only 10% enhancement at intense. Enhance again, and (intense) train at 20% for the next 9 training sessions. Finally you'll enhance to 3 stars and continue on intense at 30% bonus.
Theo's way; You'll enhance, light train one time, enhance again, then spend the next 6 training sessions on intense training with a 20% bonus... light train one time, enhance to 30% bonus and continue on intense training.
I only get 1 training session at 10% and only 6 at 20 % meaning, in my mind, I'll be intense training at 30% faster and longer than the other way. While I get it that the 2 light trains will not gain as much as an intense train would, getting to 30% faster should mitigate that loss and then some. What I do know is, if done right, you can hit that 1st cap without trading BT's for SP's just to get that last missing SP because I've done it. How that meshes with the thinking, I dunno. Too much mental for my tastes.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jun 1, 2015 22:01:35
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Sigh, I just realized what I was saying, what was being said.... discount everything I have said, I haven't been sleeping well.
I do take 1 SP for BTs, but it is the only one.
I do take 1 SP for BTs, but it is the only one.
Edited by toobad4u_00 on Jun 3, 2015 12:31:57
Originally posted by Bane
Do you still reach soft cap on main skill before first boost that way?
Kinda got confused on last couple sentences you wrote
I got real lost on those last few. I still don't understand how you can light train and still hit 2:1 without boosting and not using BTs for SP.
Do you still reach soft cap on main skill before first boost that way?
Kinda got confused on last couple sentences you wrote
I got real lost on those last few. I still don't understand how you can light train and still hit 2:1 without boosting and not using BTs for SP.
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Sigh, I just realized what I was saying, what was being said.... discount everything I have said, I haven't been sleeping well.
I do take 1 SP for BTs, but it is the only one.
I do take 1 SP for BTs, but it is the only one.
Edited by toobad4u_00 on Jun 3, 2015 12:31:44
I have never found spending 15BT for a SP to reach cap before first boost to ever be a "waste"
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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
Originally posted by Bane
Do you still reach soft cap on main skill before first boost that way?
Kinda got confused on last couple sentences you wrote
I got real lost on those last few. I still don't understand how you can light train and still hit 2:1 without boosting and not using BTs for SP.
Yep, it's impossible. Can't be done, no matter how you train.
ETA: I was wrong, it actually can be done.
Originally posted by Bane
Do you still reach soft cap on main skill before first boost that way?
Kinda got confused on last couple sentences you wrote
I got real lost on those last few. I still don't understand how you can light train and still hit 2:1 without boosting and not using BTs for SP.
Yep, it's impossible. Can't be done, no matter how you train.
ETA: I was wrong, it actually can be done.
Edited by Pena_FIN on Jun 3, 2015 12:55:09
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Originally posted by Bane
wait, what?
Dots that intend to boost from lvl1 to lvl4 on day48, can't reach the 49-cap on lvl1 without converting BT for SP. It simply can't be done.
Theo says he's done it. If that were true, he'd had to have at least two extra training point, compared to the usual 24 TP lvl1's get.
ETA: I was wrong, it actually can be done. My apologies to Theo; Sorry bro.
wait, what?
Dots that intend to boost from lvl1 to lvl4 on day48, can't reach the 49-cap on lvl1 without converting BT for SP. It simply can't be done.
Theo says he's done it. If that were true, he'd had to have at least two extra training point, compared to the usual 24 TP lvl1's get.
ETA: I was wrong, it actually can be done. My apologies to Theo; Sorry bro.
Edited by Pena_FIN on Jun 3, 2015 12:57:02
Edited by Pena_FIN on Jun 3, 2015 12:56:46
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Did they close the loop hole where if you create a dot just as roll over starts on d40 you got 2 extra training points? 
Originally posted by Pena_FIN
Dots that intend to boost from lvl1 to lvl4 on day48, can't reach the 49-cap on lvl1 without converting BT for SP. It simply can't be done.
Theo says he's done it. If that were true, he'd had to have at least two extra training point, compared to the usual 24 TP lvl1's get.
Yes it can be done
We discussed it earlier in this thread, and drew posted links even
Then I duplicated it and discussed
Keep up bro
Dots that intend to boost from lvl1 to lvl4 on day48, can't reach the 49-cap on lvl1 without converting BT for SP. It simply can't be done.
Theo says he's done it. If that were true, he'd had to have at least two extra training point, compared to the usual 24 TP lvl1's get.
Yes it can be done
We discussed it earlier in this thread, and drew posted links even
Then I duplicated it and discussed
Keep up bro
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