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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
lolwut. the forums were awesome back in the day. i miss the old suggestions forum.

Beyond the league forums and Nibs rankings, 95% of the threads were shit. Bad trolls trolling worse trolls, and a whole lot of dumbassery all the way around.

There was a lot more fun than just leagues and nibs threads. Nibs threads didn't even come along until near or after wl creation.

Originally posted by jtrav21
Beyond the league forums and Nibs rankings, 95% of the threads were shit. Bad trolls trolling worse trolls, and a whole lot of dumbassery all the way around.

Dumbassery is my middle name.

My parents hated me as a child.

Originally posted by bhall43
There was a lot more fun than just leagues and nibs threads. Nibs threads didn't even come along until near or after wl creation.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Even in the nascent seasons of this game I always thought most threads were post after post of beating a dead horse.

Originally posted by jtrav21
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Even in the nascent seasons of this game I always thought most threads were post after post of beating a dead horse.

some league forums had some activity, they had write ups and entertaining posts, from what i remember after venturing into them once i got to the pros.... im pretty sure your team was involved in a lot of those in SEAPro way back when.

Originally posted by Novus
I've spent the past 5 years laughing at the "the game is dying" crowd, because the game clearly wasn't dying. The numbers of new dots being created each season clearly showed that the game was going to be self-sustaining for a while longer, but the "the game is dying" crowd willfully ignored the available data because it conflicted with what they believed to be true, and they chose their own beliefs over the truth.

However, just because the people who have been declaring the imminent death of the game in the past were all morons does not mean that the people today who are declaring the imminent death of the game must also be morons.

We have reached the point where the number of new dots being created every season is no longer self-sustaining. The number of high-quality dots reaching the top levels of the game is about to start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the enjoyability of those top levels, and soon after that the total number of dots reaching the top levels of the game will start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the ability to play the game at those top levels at all. I've detailed the numbers in another thread, and I have a feeling that my post is one of the ones you're responding to.

The available data has changed. And so has my conclusion about the future of the game.

I want to believe that GLB1 will stay healthy and vibrant for the next 20 years, and I suppose I could make myself a lot happier in the short-term by willfully ignoring the data that conflicts with what I want to believe. But if I do that, I'll end up spending more money on this game and encouraging others to do so, only to find out very soon that we're not going to get the same value out of today's Flex purchases that we got from the Flex purchases we made 4 or 5 years ago.

I'd rather be the Doomsday Prophet than the Pied Piper. If the Doomsday Prophet turns out to be wrong, at least he can comfort himself with the fact that he was honestly trying to help those around him and was simply mistaken. The Pied Piper willfully misleads people to their detriment and his own benefit, and I refuse to do that. So, Doomsday Prophet it is.

I would counter that with the people saying the game was dying a few years ago had a better idea of what was going on with the userbase than people snuggled up in small cliques. I've always signed dots with random teams and signed random FAs rather than just depending mostly on the same group of people. I think the userbase has become so small now that the few people that didn't believe those of us "out and about" back then have no choice but to see what's happening. It's not as if the FA market just shriveled up over the past few seasons.

If your "data" didn't show that there were thousands fewer teams and players back when the pyramid was scrapped then your data was absolute shit. The cloud system hid the fact that Bort had wiped shitloads of teams and much of what was left still couldn't find enough dots to fill their roster. Don't blame us because you've been oblivious for the last few years.

And yes, I did the math a long time ago and posted how many teams had been wiped along with the amount of teams with 20+ CPUs compared to available dots in the FA market. I wish I could find that old post. It was from quite some time ago.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.

And this ^

"Dying" doesn't mean what some people think it means. Dying and dead are two different things. When something is no longer growing and is in decline it is dying.

Originally posted by gbororats
some league forums had some activity, they had write ups and entertaining posts, from what i remember after venturing into them once i got to the pros.... im pretty sure your team was involved in a lot of those in SEAPro way back when.

Yes that was our first trip to Pro. SEA had an awesome league forum and a lot of fun teams/agents at the time. Reminds me a lot of current NAPL honestly.

My team's league forum is pretty active. No one gives a fuck about the copy/paste scripts, trav. You can spam them all you want but most of us couldn't care less about it. You have to stir the pot to get people posting.

Originally posted by Dub J
And this ^

"Dying" doesn't mean what some people think it means. Dying and dead are two different things. When something is no longer growing and is in decline it is dying.

Dying to me implies certain terminality. I don't believe GLB is 100% terminal as there are still ways for it to be grown, though small and currently improbable. At some point hopefully Bort/DD/Pallow/Deathblade/whoever has a rush of initiative and does the leg work to get it growing.

That 2075 thread I created wasn't intended to be taken seriously, trav. lol

Originally posted by Dub J
My team's league forum is pretty active. No one gives a fuck about the copy/paste scripts, trav. You can spam them all you want but most of us couldn't care less about it. You have to stir the pot to get people posting.



When I talk about league rankings im not speaking of lolscript rankings, everyone knows those are terrible. Im talkin about threads such as Novus's ranking thread in NAPL. You are right though nothing is better than a good pot stirring, especially when you have teams that genuinely dislike each other.

The SEA Pro Forum was light years beyond NAPL currently. The back and forth alone between ESL, LSP, and the Pirates were worth the price of admission. I couldn't even really call it trash talk, it was more like reading a comic book.

edit: and i am not saying that because I am part of ESL. I wasn't part of ESL at that point, I was just another team in the league and enjoying my time there.

Originally posted by Dub J
That 2075 thread I created wasn't intended to be taken seriously, trav. lol



I can tell the difference between humor and bitching