Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Nokturnus
I started the statement I made of with the word "personally", making it my own opinion. Never said any of this was a fact for the GLB community. The fact is, I've experimented with the past couple of seasons on my plateau dots and saw no change in productivity. Maybe GLB doesn't ignore decimals but it would appear the sim itself does.

I don't claim even be a good dot builder much less a great one but I do pay attention whether or not my investments pay off. So far, I've seen very little reason to take an attribute up based on decimal integers. In my opinion, it is not worth going from 160.1 to 160.9.



Because clearly u can differentiate the difference between 160 and 161 SPD simply by watching

Originally posted by Sellars
Because clearly u can differentiate the difference between 160 and 161 SPD simply by watching

Sure, there is watching but it's mostly whether or not there is change in production because that is what actually matters. If there is no change in production then the extra VA points in the attribute VA were not warranted. I guess it's cool to have just for the sake of having it but I've not seen the reason why.

He uses the extra one va for a chance roll

I get your point, Nokturnus, but I think you're splitting hairs a bit here. The same argument you're making for keeping a VA at 14 instead of 15 can be made for keeping a VA at 9 instead of 10, or at 4 instead of 5, or at 0 instead of 1. And you can make a similar argument for other VAs, or other SAs, or spending SPs on Attributes.

Thing is, a single boost of +0.8 in and of itself doesn't seem like much. However, a lot of excellent builds are put together one +0.8 increment at a time, and they start to add up in a hurry.

And at some point, you have to realize the question isn't "Is this a good use of my last VA point?" The proper question to ask is "Is this the best use of my last VA point?"

If you can find a better use for that last VA point instead of taking Workout Warrior from 14 to 15, great! Do it! But keep in mind that the same argument can apply to resetting a point out of Workout Warrior down to 13 and putting that point in something else. And then doing it again -- down to 12. And then doing it again -- down to 11. If you think taking Workout Warrior from 14 to 15 is a waste, what you're really saying is that putting ANY points in Workout Warrior is a waste, whether it's the 1st point or the 15th.

Work Warrior, is that like a guy who works 80 hours per week?

Originally posted by Novus
I get your point, Nokturnus, but I think you're splitting hairs a bit here. The same argument you're making for keeping a VA at 14 instead of 15 can be made for keeping a VA at 9 instead of 10, or at 4 instead of 5, or at 0 instead of 1. And you can make a similar argument for other VAs, or other SAs, or spending SPs on Attributes.

Thing is, a single boost of +0.8 in and of itself doesn't seem like much. However, a lot of excellent builds are put together one +0.8 increment at a time, and they start to add up in a hurry.

And at some point, you have to realize the question isn't "Is this a good use of my last VA point?" The proper question to ask is "Is this the best use of my last VA point?"

If you can find a better use for that last VA point instead of taking Workout Warrior from 14 to 15, great! Do it! But keep in mind that the same argument can apply to resetting a point out of Workout Warrior down to 13 and putting that point in something else. And then doing it again -- down to 12. And then doing it again -- down to 11. If you think taking Workout Warrior from 14 to 15 is a waste, what you're really saying is that putting ANY points in Workout Warrior is a waste, whether it's the 1st point or the 15th.

That isn't what I'm saying at all. It is a very useful VA but with the approach that I take with it by slimming it by a VAP or two and doing this with another VA or so that the benefit doesn't outweigh putting 5 or so into an extra VA at end build when maybe you already had 2 or 3 VA points you couldn't use on any existing VAs you end up with a viable VA with 5-8 points invested in it that helps more than the 1 or 2 VAs in Workout Warrior. Would never trim down to the extent that it is actually harmful.

Originally posted by Nokturnus
That isn't what I'm saying at all. It is a very useful VA but with the approach that I take with it by slimming it by a VAP or two and doing this with another VA or so that the benefit doesn't outweigh putting 5 or so into an extra VA at end build when maybe you already had 2 or 3 VA points you couldn't use on any existing VAs you end up with a viable VA with 5-8 points invested in it that helps more than the 1 or 2 VAs in Workout Warrior. Would never trim down to the extent that it is actually harmful.

It's not what you think you're saying.

When you go to vote for president.. Your one vote is worth next to nothing, right?
That's what Nok is saying.
At the same time, some hundred-million 's of people vote for the president of the USA and there are only 15 VA points you can put into a VA so.. What they're trying to say Nok is that each 1/15th is just as important as the ones before it. If you take away 1-2 VA, sure you're only losing 0.5-1.0 SP but, you're not gaining much wherever you re-locate those VA's either

If your skimming VA points off of all of your VA's you are doing your VA's SERIOUSLY wrong.

Originally posted by Sellars
If your skimming VA points off of all of your VA's you are doing your VA's SERIOUSLY wrong.

Not all of them, no. A VA or two, yes.

For instance, I've got an OT in South Atlantic Pro Conference right now who was built for Casual and was in Casual until this season. WW is at 13. Strength is at a .04 mark. Adding the two VA will only add .606. Are you saying that it's worth the 2 VA points for that?

Since u obviously seem to think STR important enough to invest 13 VA points into,,, but now your saying that the last 2 would not be worth it. U are contradicting your own self dude.

Originally posted by Sellars
Since u obviously seem to think STR important enough to invest 13 VA points into,,, but now your saying that the last 2 would not be worth it. U are contradicting your own self dude.

This. If it's not worth taking Workout Warrior from 13 to 15, then it wasn't worth taking Workout Warrior from 11 to 13 either. Or from 9 to 11. Or from 7 to 9. Or from 5 to 7. Or from 3 to 5. Or from 1 to 3. Or from 0 to 1.

See what we're saying, Nokturnus? Where do you draw the line?

Not really seeing it as a contradiction. 13 brought it up to an even level whereas the other 2 VA points do not bring it up any attribute points. Instead, it has allowed me to enhance something else which has a great effect on more things causing the dot to perform better all around. I'm failing to see the downfall.

Originally posted by Novus
This. If it's not worth taking Workout Warrior from 13 to 15, then it wasn't worth taking Workout Warrior from 11 to 13 either. Or from 9 to 11. Or from 7 to 9. Or from 5 to 7. Or from 3 to 5. Or from 1 to 3. Or from 0 to 1.

See what we're saying, Nokturnus? Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at personal benchmarks I set for the build and what I want to see my dot do/ It's not like I would kill the build to do these things. I was simply saying that it is not always best to take an attribute VA to 15.

I've not seen any proof that 160.83 is better than 160.27. or whatever other decimal within a solid point you would consider. If you have proof otherwise, please, make me a believer.