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Originally posted by JT_HOOD
for guys like you

There is only a handful of top coords left, and the ones that are left just don't care. WL is the weakest it's been and will continue to get weaker.

Hell, DS doesn't even care anymore. That's saying something

on this note, there is no way 15 seasons ago you could just lose 2 games while doing nothing in the reg season. You had blood baths of sometimes 10 top teams in the same conf at times. Now you have 2 or 3

Originally posted by jdbolick

First season back, which is a lot different from your first WL season.


First season back?

Originally posted by bhall43
First season back?
NBA Jam

Originally posted by JT_HOOD
on this note, there is no way 15 seasons ago you could just lose 2 games while doing nothing in the reg season. You had blood baths of sometimes 10 top teams in the same conf at times. Now you have 2 or 3

meh

That's sort of a false nostalgia claim. In terms of parity, I'd argue that it's never been tighter (although I won't argue that a lot of that is due to coordinators easing back w/ well established AIs). 15+ seasons ago you could always pin the playoff regulars. I'd argue we were actually more top heavy then.

Going even further back, we had the days of Hali, Valhalla, and Chocolate Blaze. In their respective seasons, it was pretty clear they were a notch above the rest. More agents are building elite dots nowadays. In the past it was somewhat of an exclusive club with collections on the very best teams. That's why mergers were how the west was generally won back then.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
meh

That's sort of a false nostalgia claim. In terms of parity, I'd argue that it's never been tighter (although I won't argue that a lot of that is due to coordinators easing back w/ well established AIs). 15+ seasons ago you could always pin the playoff regulars. I'd argue we were actually more top heavy then.

Going even further back, we had the days of Hali, Valhalla, and Chocolate Blaze. In their respective seasons, it was pretty clear they were a notch above the rest.

If it's tougher now, explain how I had to do stuff on a game by game basis 15-10 seasons ago and can do jack shit in the reg season now and win without even looking at the other team?

The comp met in the middle, the crap came up due to sim staying the same and being able to take season after season to figure out wtf was happening to them. Builds can stay the same season after season and they will produce about the same numbers. Especially since all dots can do stuff with all the RNG, which is what they wanted. You can't dominate exactly like before because the sim just won't let you smack the hell out of someone over and over. You can run over 10 dots and 1 will win his roll and somehow blow up the play.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
In terms of parity, I'd argue that it's never been tighter
Of course, because a lot of the best people quit and many others stopped trying. It used to be that the top coordinators tried a lot. Then they started only trying for big games. Then they only started trying in the playoffs. s35 marked the next stage because the old guard coordinators didn't even try for the playoffs. People who haven't been at that level think it's a bullshit excuse, but those who know enough can look at the games and see that AIs weren't changed. Maybe they would have tried if they made the conference or league final, but kudos to those who knocked the indifferent ones out. That's what should happen.

Originally posted by
More agents are building elite dots nowadays.
lolno


Originally posted by JT_HOOD
If it's tougher now, explain how I had to do stuff on a game by game basis 15-10 seasons ago and can do jack shit in the reg season now and win without even looking at the other team?
Exactly. Now you can routinely skate by on the same AI all regular season. If you did that back when the WL was good, you'd get demoted.

Originally posted by jdbolick

NBA Jam

eh its a whole new team though and different coords obviously. But ya.

Did the Duckies guys have any previous WL coordinating experience? That's my only point, about it being impressive to win without first becoming familiar with this level.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Of course, because a lot of the best people quit and many others stopped trying. It used to be that the top coordinators tried a lot. Then they started only trying for big games. Then they only started trying in the playoffs. s35 marked the next stage because the old guard coordinators didn't even try for the playoffs. People who haven't been at that level think it's a bullshit excuse, but those who know enough can look at the games and see that AIs weren't changed. Maybe they would have tried if they made the conference or league final, but kudos to those who knocked the indifferent ones out. That's what should happen.

Now hear me out, but I think the folks in WL still want to win as much as they ever did. You don't play this game for 5 years and have WL teams without being ultra competitive and relentless. This especially includes the stalwarts who have done it time and time again.

I just think they have such good AIs and dots that they don't need to gameplan to win most of their games. Who is going to work at it each game when you can get what you want on cruise control? If someone didn't gameplan against my team (and I don't care to check) in the playoffs (talking about Odessa here), I feel that it is more likely due to over confidence than it is due to 0 cares. If they didn't gameplan, it's because they thought they could beat us without it. That or RL happened. I'm betting they figured they had a bye when the lolscrub 8 seed beat South Otto. Speculating here, but maybe they figured "why show our hand when we could skate and catch whoever in the conference finals with less info?". And I wouldn't fault them for that...making a strategic gamble for the end game. For Odessa it didn't pay off, if that's the case. For all I know they spent 40 hours on the gameplan.

It's easy to sit around and say "welp, it use to be harder, especially since now I don't try anymore." Shut up. You don't try because you don't have to, not because you're disinterested. Every person reading this wants WL gold each and every season. Knowing how hard you have to work for it (and for some not as hard as others) doesn't mean that working less somehow equals zero cares. That's just lying to yourself.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Did the Duckies guys have any previous WL coordinating experience? That's my only point, about it being impressive to win without first becoming familiar with this level.

I owned East Coast Egos in S29. Finished 6-10. I gameplanned one game on defense and 2 or 3 games on offense that season. I actually went inactive for most of S29 due to RL stuff. I also DC'd the last 8 or so games for the Hedgehogs in S34. I've ninja coordinated a few other teams here and there. To my knowledge, Cro had not OC'd in the WL before this season.

Originally posted by T2
You don't try because you don't have to, not because you're disinterested.


Well...in my case, I am pretty disinterested.

Originally posted by T2
To my knowledge, Cro had not OC'd in the WL before this season.

Correct. This popped my WL cherry

The sim doesn't change now that is why you can use the same ai all season. Plus you know exactly what type of builds for your system.

Originally posted by T2
Every person reading this wants WL gold each and every season.

i beg to differ

Originally posted by bhall43
Well...in my case, I am pretty disinterested.

Which comes from multiple areas though. It is summer, both ee and I went on extended vacations over the season, and this has been the same sim for so many seasons now. GLB needs some new bling to get me interested. Sure it is nice to win WL when it comes down to it, but I have 3 rings so for me its more cherry on top.