Warrior General Games

Originally posted by whodey08
So instead of correcting some of that misunderstanding you would rather just make a meaningless post. Your awesome man!!

I'm not going to do everyone's work for them. Part of the challenge of this game is figuring things out better than others have. I will say that there are two huge misunderstandings in this thread. First, that training 5 star enhanced is a waste. It's not if you do it correctly. Second, that everyone trains attributes when they are at their higher values, the example in this thread is 94. I can honestly say I never train an attribute once it is past a certain point and it's not even close to 94.

Originally posted by CerNeT
I'm not going to do everyone's work for them. Part of the challenge of this game is figuring things out better than others have. I will say that there are two huge misunderstandings in this thread. First, that training 5 star enhanced is a waste. It's not if you do it correctly. Second, that everyone trains attributes when they are at their higher values, the example in this thread is 94. I can honestly say I never train an attribute once it is past a certain point and it's not even close to 94.

Hate to say it, man, but whodey is right... a post like that comes off kinda prickish.

It's like a sighted guy laughing at three blind guys who are trying to figure out what something is, just because you can see it and they can't.

Being sighted doesn't make you a better person. Helping the three blind guys is what would make you a better person. Either help them, or walk away. But don't point and laugh.

Exactly. I understand if he doesnt want to share info that he worked hard to discover but dont come in here bragging or laughing at others. Just dont post.

Actually, I guess this chart is still correct...

Upgrades . . . . . Multi-trains needed to benefit
. . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 (60 training days)
. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30 (120 training days)
. . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45 (180 training days)
. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60 (240 training days)
. . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 75 (300 training days)

I simply mis-interpreted what it means.

Okay, if my calculations are correct, a dot basically gets the equivalent of 420 "training days" in their career.

Assuming you create on Day 40, you start out with 8 TPs - basically 4 "training days".

Day 41 to Day 48 is 8 more training days.

From Age 0 to Age 280 is 7 full seasons, at 57 training days per season (9 pre-season, 40 season, 8 post-season), so 57 x 7 = 399 training days.

And then you get 9 more training days during the pre-season where you're sitting at Age 280. When Day 0 rolls over to Day 1, you hit Age 281 and stop getting TPs.

4 + 8 + 399 + 9 = 420 training days.

OK so...

fundamental flaw #1: There is no one answer that will cover every archetype for every position

fundamental flaw #2: There's no way to account for build goal within each archetype

fundamental flaw #3: There's no way to account for the quality of a build goal, except to do it and prove it works (or doesn't)


The best way of going about this issue is to be as specific as possible when asking for advice.

For example:

"I'd like to build a WR with as close to 170 speed as possible. What's a training regimen that will get me there?"

or

"I'd like to build a LB that can actually cover a receiver coming out of the backfield. Can anyone shoot me a build guide or template?"

or

"I'd like to build a bulldozer RB with triple digit strength and carry. When do I start 4-way training to do that?"

Those 3 examples will all have very different approaches to multi-training and enhancements.

Originally posted by CerNeT
I will say that there are two huge misunderstandings in this thread. First, that training 5 star enhanced is a waste. It's not if you do it correctly.

I should stress that I'm not claiming that any type of upgrade is necessarily inefficient. The chart provides a rough guide as to how many mutli-trains you will need to make an upgrade pay off at the margin. But as I note in my post, it does not account for the benefit from single training an attribute which can matter for the first attribute. And advanced builders can do some nifty things with various rounding errors.

I should also note that 75 multi-trains is the point at which 5* beats out 4* -- it is not the point at which 5* is better than zero. 5* is better than 0 at 45 multi-trains.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
OK so...

fundamental flaw #1: There is no one answer that will cover every archetype for every position

fundamental flaw #2: There's no way to account for build goal within each archetype

fundamental flaw #3: There's no way to account for the quality of a build goal, except to do it and prove it works (or doesn't)


The best way of going about this issue is to be as specific as possible when asking for advice.

For example:

"I'd like to build a WR with as close to 170 speed as possible. What's a training regimen that will get me there?"

or

"I'd like to build a LB that can actually cover a receiver coming out of the backfield. Can anyone shoot me a build guide or template?"

or

"I'd like to build a bulldozer RB with triple digit strength and carry. When do I start 4-way training to do that?"

Those 3 examples will all have very different approaches to multi-training and enhancements.



Incredibly helpful

I have to agree with CerNet here, u guys thinking hes being a prick are ridiculous (nothing new for Novus). He didn't even hint at looking down at anyone but your all butthurt because he wont hand out his methods to people who haven't been able to figure it out. Why should he either? He simply made a point that 5-star was not a waste if used correctly, hmm maybe that should be a hint to go ahead and try it in the VPB, so yes indirectly he did help some of u out. He gave u all a clue as to what he does or knows. And to comment on the entire % enhancement thing not a single person in here has mentioned being able to cap earlier which equates to better ALG efficiency in the end but rather u just look at it cut and dry based entirely off of just the actuall training % gains which is not the whole basis of a training plan.

Power back. Strength is the primary right?

Originally posted by frankiebee
Power back. Strength is the primary right?

some say yes

others say carry (I'm in this group)

Originally posted by reddogrw
some say yes

others say carry (I'm in this group)

thanks bro. How about the intial creation. Do I go shortest and heaviest? Never built a power back so wanted to clear up some questions about build and training without starting a new thread.

Originally posted by Novus
Hate to say it, man, but whodey is right... a post like that comes off kinda prickish.

It's like a sighted guy laughing at three blind guys who are trying to figure out what something is, just because you can see it and they can't.

Being sighted doesn't make you a better person. Helping the three blind guys is what would make you a better person. Either help them, or walk away. But don't point and laugh.

And you wonder why you never see CerNeT enter these discussions.

Originally posted by CerNeT
I'm not going to do everyone's work for them. Part of the challenge of this game is figuring things out better than others have. I will say that there are two huge misunderstandings in this thread. First, that training 5 star enhanced is a waste. It's not if you do it correctly. Second, that everyone trains attributes when they are at their higher values, the example in this thread is 94. I can honestly say I never train an attribute once it is past a certain point and it's not even close to 94.

Interesting stuff. Well mostly the last part for me.

Originally posted by bhall43
Interesting stuff. Well mostly the last part for me.

you train attributes when theyre that high? serious question, not trying to come off as a condescending prick.