Surge is garbage waste of SP's
no dot should ever have a point in it even, not even 1
no dot should ever have a point in it even, not even 1
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bhall43
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Originally posted by TheGreatAus
No. Why would you think it would? It would have an opportunity to go off, just like it normally would and it does right now. All im suggesting is change when it actually fires, like a yard or two from the hole. At least the HB can point him self in the direction he wants to go, and literally surge through the hole at top speed, then make cuts as needed. Right now, its firing when he is in the hole and it usually goes to waste...not much use imo.
um because it fires when a runner goes untouched through the LOS. If it fired prior to the LOS it would fire every time and would be mandatory.
Also I don't really like the thought of it firing prior to the LOS as stopping short yardage downs are tough enough as it is...that would just be adding another ridiculous element to PB's.
I think you are largely exaggerating this SA as a waste. I see LARGE benefits from it constantly on backs from my teams.
No. Why would you think it would? It would have an opportunity to go off, just like it normally would and it does right now. All im suggesting is change when it actually fires, like a yard or two from the hole. At least the HB can point him self in the direction he wants to go, and literally surge through the hole at top speed, then make cuts as needed. Right now, its firing when he is in the hole and it usually goes to waste...not much use imo.
um because it fires when a runner goes untouched through the LOS. If it fired prior to the LOS it would fire every time and would be mandatory.
Also I don't really like the thought of it firing prior to the LOS as stopping short yardage downs are tough enough as it is...that would just be adding another ridiculous element to PB's.
I think you are largely exaggerating this SA as a waste. I see LARGE benefits from it constantly on backs from my teams.
Originally posted by Bane
Surge is garbage waste of SP's
no dot should ever have a point in it even, not even 1
WTF. You are nuts, and I still find you likeable.
Surge is garbage waste of SP's
no dot should ever have a point in it even, not even 1
WTF. You are nuts, and I still find you likeable.
Originally posted by bhall43
um there is no synergy between surge and first step.
i meant is as....you first step after hand off which will allow u to get to the LOS faster then surge can fire sooner...more time more yardage....
um there is no synergy between surge and first step.
i meant is as....you first step after hand off which will allow u to get to the LOS faster then surge can fire sooner...more time more yardage....
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Originally posted by StudMuffin
you first step after hand off
That has never happened in the history of GLB because it's not possible, since scripted handoffs have the HB going above the very low speed threshold that First Step needs to fire.
you first step after hand off
That has never happened in the history of GLB because it's not possible, since scripted handoffs have the HB going above the very low speed threshold that First Step needs to fire.
TheGreatAus
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Originally posted by bhall43
um because it fires when a runner goes untouched through the LOS. If it fired prior to the LOS it would fire every time and would be mandatory.
Also I don't really like the thought of it firing prior to the LOS as stopping short yardage downs are tough enough as it is...that would just be adding another ridiculous element to PB's.
I think you are largely exaggerating this SA as a waste. I see LARGE benefits from it constantly on backs from my teams.
This is where we will disagree. As of right now, its a chance SA, much like First Step/Pump Fake/Juke/Head Fake/etc. Except with Surge, its three chances...the HB has to make it to the LoS (chance 1), has to make it there untouched (chance 2), and then it has to fire (chance 3). The plays I put up earlier are pretty exemplary of what happens with SAs on my pHB...it maybe has a beneficial effect 20% of the time it actually fires...which might only be a play or two a game. In terms of other SA's that fire like this (Juke/HF), when they fire its far more often and often has a far more noticeable effect.
So if the the point at which the SA fires (chance 1 above) is moved, thats all thats being moved. Everything else would be the same.
um because it fires when a runner goes untouched through the LOS. If it fired prior to the LOS it would fire every time and would be mandatory.
Also I don't really like the thought of it firing prior to the LOS as stopping short yardage downs are tough enough as it is...that would just be adding another ridiculous element to PB's.
I think you are largely exaggerating this SA as a waste. I see LARGE benefits from it constantly on backs from my teams.
This is where we will disagree. As of right now, its a chance SA, much like First Step/Pump Fake/Juke/Head Fake/etc. Except with Surge, its three chances...the HB has to make it to the LoS (chance 1), has to make it there untouched (chance 2), and then it has to fire (chance 3). The plays I put up earlier are pretty exemplary of what happens with SAs on my pHB...it maybe has a beneficial effect 20% of the time it actually fires...which might only be a play or two a game. In terms of other SA's that fire like this (Juke/HF), when they fire its far more often and often has a far more noticeable effect.
So if the the point at which the SA fires (chance 1 above) is moved, thats all thats being moved. Everything else would be the same.
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Originally posted by StudMuffin
it is possible....bort said it himself......
No, Bort said it's impossible. He said that in order for First Step to fire for a HB or FB on a running play, they need to slow down again sometime after the handoff.
it is possible....bort said it himself......
No, Bort said it's impossible. He said that in order for First Step to fire for a HB or FB on a running play, they need to slow down again sometime after the handoff.
Originally posted by whodey08
Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.
People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.
because hurdle is a mid air jump off to win the roll?
Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.
People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.
because hurdle is a mid air jump off to win the roll?
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I wish I had 10 Surge on my speed HB because I can imagine dives being hilarious...
Time Trial
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Originally posted by jdbolick
No, Bort said it's impossible. He said that in order for First Step to fire for a HB or FB on a running play, they need to slow down again sometime after the handoff.
Coming to a stop or near stop after breaking a tackle would be the only time I imagine it could fire.
Also very low agility players attempting to make a counter?
No, Bort said it's impossible. He said that in order for First Step to fire for a HB or FB on a running play, they need to slow down again sometime after the handoff.
Coming to a stop or near stop after breaking a tackle would be the only time I imagine it could fire.
Also very low agility players attempting to make a counter?
Edited by Time Trial on Mar 10, 2013 12:11:15
whodey08
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Originally posted by Time Trial
Coming to a stop or near stop after breaking a tackle would be the only time I imagine it could fire.
Also very low agility players attempting to make a counter?
Even then its only a "chance" to fire and not guaranteed to fire. Not worth it for a pure rusher.
Coming to a stop or near stop after breaking a tackle would be the only time I imagine it could fire.
Also very low agility players attempting to make a counter?
Even then its only a "chance" to fire and not guaranteed to fire. Not worth it for a pure rusher.
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Originally posted by whodey08
Even then its only a "chance" to fire and not guaranteed to fire. Not worth it for a pure rusher.
Yeah, especially since the top tackle breaking SAs don't cause you to stop.
Even then its only a "chance" to fire and not guaranteed to fire. Not worth it for a pure rusher.
Yeah, especially since the top tackle breaking SAs don't cause you to stop.
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