Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Titus Pullo
That first replay is pretty bad, it has the 5 OL plus the FB blocking just the DT & NT. Their really isn't enough space in RL to allow 3 effective blockers (tackling is a different issue) on one player, once two blockers engage that should be it until one of them gets knocked down or pushed aside. The extra blockers should hold their position and keep a look out for delayed blitzes or one of the rushers breaking free of the double team. I see OL & FB or RBs standing around with no one to block quite often when watching the NFL. They are disciplined and patient enough to hold their position, ready to react as the play develops. Then the FB would have picked up the MLB instead of running right past him to be the 3rd blocker on the DT. It is not a 'too low of a level' issue, it s a '3 blockers on one rusher' issue within the sim illogical code.

On a side note, a 'that dot is too young in an old dots code' should never, ever be an exceptable excuse for anything. It still takes about a year to go from level 1 to level 79, the game should be fun and competitive during that year of dot building if GLB has any desire to survive.


This is my major complaint. While guys should get better of course with age..the amount of utterly stupid stuff lowbies do is a bit over the top

Originally posted by Torg



This is my major complaint. While guys should get better of course with age..the amount of utterly stupid stuff lowbies do is a bit over the top


Like the 11 false starts but 0 encroachment penalties we had in our game today.

Originally posted by Torg
here in lies what imo is the biggest flaw in GLB. There in no reason any player at any level beyond 5yr old peewee might do something like this. Low level dots behave in ways which anyone playing over the age of 10 or so would never do. I have spent a decade coaching middle school and high school football and seen plenty of dumb things. However, I have never seen an offensive lineman try and block someone so far away. I am sure it will improve as he levels up but imo it should never happen in the first place. Its bad enough he blocks down on the DT when hes next to him and lets a blitzer go by
Comparing dots to people has always been lol. Its an apples to oranges comparison.

Originally posted by Titus Pullo
On a side note, a 'that dot is too young in an old dots code' should never, ever be an exceptable excuse for anything. It still takes about a year to go from level 1 to level 79, the game should be fun and competitive during that year of dot building if GLB has any desire to survive.
I agree with this statement in principle. It would be great if the game could be balanced from beginning to end, but with the way dots are built, it would be nearly impossible to balance things without making a dot's actual build meaningless.

I don't know, I think the people comparison is actually pretty spot on. The OP link was from Prep, which is the second lowest level and therefore comparable to a 9 or 10 year old. 9 or 10 year olds don't play football like slower versions of college or NFL players; instead they do pretty ridiculous things. If it's your 9 or 10 year old then you still care about them winning, but there's no reason to freak out when something bizarre happens.

Originally posted by jdbolick
I don't know, I think the people comparison is actually pretty spot on. The OP link was from Prep, which is the second lowest level and therefore comparable to a 9 or 10 year old. 9 or 10 year olds don't play football like slower versions of college or NFL players; instead they do pretty ridiculous things. If it's your 9 or 10 year old then you still care about them winning, but there's no reason to freak out when something bizarre happens.

I completely agree with this. The dots you build aren't all grown up from the start and so should not play that way. Remember, if you think your dots are acting weird then you're not alone. Everybody else who has the same age/level dots have the same age/level issues with them as you do (unless your build is junk).

Originally posted by jdbolick
I don't know, I think the people comparison is actually pretty spot on. The OP link was from Prep, which is the second lowest level and therefore comparable to a 9 or 10 year old. 9 or 10 year olds don't play football like slower versions of college or NFL players; instead they do pretty ridiculous things. If it's your 9 or 10 year old then you still care about them winning, but there's no reason to freak out when something bizarre happens.

I guess I view prep as a little higher than that...high school level or so. At that point most players don't do stupid stuff. Of course they are also more rounded (even at a young age) than dots in GLB.

That said, young dots do stupid stuff and sometimes do it frequently. 99% of time time it traces back to the unbalanced build.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
Originally posted by jdbolick

I don't know, I think the people comparison is actually pretty spot on. The OP link was from Prep, which is the second lowest level and therefore comparable to a 9 or 10 year old. 9 or 10 year olds don't play football like slower versions of college or NFL players; instead they do pretty ridiculous things. If it's your 9 or 10 year old then you still care about them winning, but there's no reason to freak out when something bizarre happens.

I guess I view prep as a little higher than that...high school level or so. At that point most players don't do stupid stuff. Of course they are also more rounded (even at a young age) than dots in GLB.

That said, young dots do stupid stuff and sometimes do it frequently. 99% of time time it traces back to the unbalanced build.

This- after all, even if we put the prep dots at 9 or 10, we wouldn't have a 10 year old who is super strong, a tiny bit agile, and sucky everywhere else.

Originally posted by vladykins
This- after all, even if we put the prep dots at 9 or 10, we wouldn't have a 10 year old who is super strong, a tiny bit agile, and sucky everywhere else.

You must have never seen those kids that ride the short bus play football

Strength of 10 I tell ya

who cares the sim is done, this is what you are going to get

You guys make some good points on the 'age' of the dots in question and the results of extreme and unrealistic build strategies. My '12 year old' DT can bench press a small cow right now while not getting more that an inch off the ground when he jumps up. Those huge arms of his really keep him grounded.

Originally posted by Bane
You must have never seen those kids that ride the short bus play football

Originally posted by Bane
Strength of 10 I tell ya

You ain't kidding, "Big Johnny" was like a bouncer in my elementary school....

Originally posted by Torg
here in lies what imo is the biggest flaw in GLB. There in no reason any player at any level beyond 5yr old peewee might do something like this. Low level dots behave in ways which anyone playing over the age of 10 or so would never do. I have spent a decade coaching middle school and high school football and seen plenty of dumb things. However, I have never seen an offensive lineman try and block someone so far away. I am sure it will improve as he levels up but imo it should never happen in the first place. Its bad enough he blocks down on the DT when hes next to him and lets a blitzer go by

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2276564&pbp_id=5062919
The RDE covers the flat so the LT does job #2, which is to block the DT because he did not pass the vision check to see the MLB blitzing. The FB does see the MLB blitzing, but has his block shed almost immediately. Everyone at every level makes mistakes. I'd actually argue that GLB players don't make enough mistakes. Aside from some failed vision checks, they do what you want them to do. It's more of whether you win the RNG rolls on each interaction.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2276564&pbp_id=5062059
QBs with lower confidence with get pressured easier.

You'd have to have a different sim based on each level if you want it to work at every one. Some of them are simple multipliers that can be applied, but I have to assume the interactions of 5 OLs and 4 DLs, plus however many backs/LBs/DBs are blocking or blitzing, are a little more complex than to apply simple modifiers to the checks.

I think it most definitely has to do with the way players are built; in order to maximize the attributes, you tend to stack one at a time. Vision is not one of the earliest-built attributes, so they won't necessarily be able to get there. Speed doesn't tend to be either, so they may not even get there.

Originally posted by DiMo28
Everyone at every level makes mistakes. I'd actually argue that GLB players don't make enough mistakes.
Indeed. Practically every NFL game a tackle blocks down on a guy already engaged and lets the guy outside of him go completely free. It's mystifying.