Warrior General Games

Originally posted by whodey08
The lower levels the QB goes thru his progressions just fine. So what is it about older dots that would change that?

You're in prep right now. Just wait until next season when it all goes to shit.

Originally posted by bhall43


However that would just result in the QB staring down a WR for fucking ever until he finally made the throw several seconds after you wanted it to happen.

Don't agree with that. What used to be WR1, WR1 in S31 is now basically just WR1, ?

Originally posted by bhall43

The new progression stuff was something I had been wanting for awhile as it is a gameplanning thing. If you don't want to hit target 1 don't use that guy as a target.

There are some plays that takes time to develop, where there is no good first target. At least not a good first target, if the QB isn't going through his progressions. In the old system you'd count on the QB to go through his progression and change target, but you can't really do that now on some plays.

I mean.. sometimes you aren't really interested in the first target, but has to pick a receiver anyways. Maybe it depends on the QB himself, but whenever I call a play like the weak overload play out of strong I (or similar plays out of different formations), I'm not looking for the TE or WRs to start with, since they're usually well covered, but the HB and especially FB. When I call those plays now Freebow almost never progresses to the second target (FB/HB) which is really the point in the first place to get the FB open across the field. He used to progress, but now he doesn't.... which has rendered those plays useless for me at least. If you do have the HB/FB in the first progression, it usually results in a quick throw for 0-1 yards.

Originally posted by snakes22
only way to solve this is turn it into QB setting
I wouldn't mind that. Probably more time than Bort wants to invest right now.


Originally posted by kwankwan
There are some plays that takes time to develop, where there is no good first target. At least not a good first target, if the QB isn't going through his progressions. In the old system you'd count on the QB to go through his progression and change target, but you can't really do that now on some plays.
But as we've said, the old system had the opposite problem where you couldn't use plays that had a nice first option. Going from one extreme to another illustrates that it isn't an easy thing for Bort to perfect.

Originally posted by bhall43
hmm...id argue you have far more control now. Before getting the ball to your first progression was damn near impossible without torching your entire progression list. Plays ultimately lasted too long. I shouldn't as an OC be using my progressions to hit progression number 3 or 4. That is bad OC'ing.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Except that you couldn't do that at all. Even if you had WR1 - WR1, he still wouldn't throw to the WR1. It had to be WR1 - WR1 - WR1 or possibly more. It's weird that you say that you could time your throws better then since the opposite is true. The QB held the ball for so long that it was ridiculous, resulting in constant deep throws because everyone had trailed downfield if the QB wasn't already sacked.

I agree that QBs went through his first progression too quickly, and that a change was probably necessary, although in my experience it wasn't as bad as you make it out too be.

HHWC has been throwing a lot of deep passes... so I probably didn't mind.

Originally posted by kwankwan
Don't agree with that. What used to be WR1, WR1 in S31 is now basically just WR1, ?

heh...except it takes 50% less time to make the throw.

Originally posted by kwankwan
There are some plays that takes time to develop, where there is no good first target. At least not a good first target, if the QB isn't going through his progressions. In the old system you'd count on the QB to go through his progression and change target, but you can't really do that now on some plays.

I mean.. sometimes you aren't really interested in the first target, but has to pick a receiver anyways. Maybe it depends on the QB himself, but whenever I call a play like the weak overload play out of strong I (or similar plays out of different formations), I'm not looking for the TE or WRs to start with, since they're usually well covered, but the HB and especially FB. When I call those plays now Freebow almost never progresses to the second target (FB/HB) which is really the point in the first place to get the FB open across the field. He used to progress, but now he doesn't.... which has rendered those plays useless for me at least. If you do have the HB/FB in the first progression, it's usually results in a quick throw for 0-1 yards.

i know exactly what you are talking about. I can't say from a logical standpoint that I agree with that concept as a good strategy however.

Originally posted by jdbolick

But as we've said, the old system had the opposite problem where you couldn't use plays that had a nice first option. Going from one extreme to another illustrates that it isn't an easy thing for Bort to perfect.


True.

Originally posted by snakes22
only way to solve this is turn it into QB setting

Would be most welcome.

Originally posted by Dub J
You're in prep right now. Just wait until next season when it all goes to shit.

Which is my question? Why do lower level QB's have better progressions than older QB's? What changes?

Originally posted by whodey08
Which is my question? Why do lower level QB's have better progressions than older QB's? What changes?

the danger threshold of the progression.

not enough Confidence imo

Originally posted by bhall43
Peyton Manning never gets to progression 3. You crazy bro.

thats ridiculous

Originally posted by fast420
thats ridiculous

if manning is on progression 3...or pretty much any quarterback for that matter...it is a dump pass.

Not necessarily, but it takes really good defense (and pass protection) to make it to a third downfield option.

If Manning changes the pass play due to his pre-snap read, it's not in order to get a favorable 3rd progression.

Originally posted by BigRatUno
If Manning changes the pass play due to his pre-snap read, it's not in order to get a favorable 3rd progression.

you mean his first progression isn't a waste? shocking.

Originally posted by bhall43
if manning is on progression 3...or pretty much any quarterback for that matter...it is a dump pass.

i never said my 3rd progression was down field. I'm not complaining because he's not chucking it downfield to the right guy. I want him to see that the bomb is not the best option and then look for the other reads. I just would like to say......35% of the time he might make the other reads.

Downfield if you have the wrs is fine, it's just irritating watching them throw downfield into heavy coverage.............example. Cox vs Funday first progression is in triple coverage in endzone.......qb makes the throw regardless. INT game ovah