Warrior General Games

Originally posted by yello1
Nope. Your guy is good.

And the guy I really want to bottle and sell is Lemon Lime. Man he makes KLs actually work.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how he turned out. I know that I can build a better HH SS, too. I wasn't as efficient with his build as I could've been.

Originally posted by Warhawk
I essentially agree with this. That said, I do think Targets:RecAll is more useful than you suggested in this thread, but ONLY when comparing CBs within a conference, and with a grain of salt. Even so, that probably doesn't tell you much that the ratio you suggested (though INTs is largely dependent on what level of the game we're talking about) doesn't already provide you with.

thx

Originally posted by jampysos
thx
You're both wrong.

Originally posted by jdbolick

You're both wrong.

Targ/RecAll against similar competition tells you everything.

if QB error and etc. are similar variables throughout all the CB#1s in the league,
it becomes a common variable. Sure some QBs will have good games and bad games, but they do not vary EXTREMELY, like in the NFL. (Sanchez Week1 and Sanchez Week 4-8 lol).

In the NFL, simple to find out who are the #1 CBs.

just pick a WR, and pick a Starting CB line up against him. Compare stats. boom.

Originally posted by jampysos
Targ/RecAll against similar competition tells you everything.

if QB error and etc. are similar variables throughout all the CB#1s in the league,
it becomes a common variable. Sure some QBs will have good games and bad games, but they do not vary EXTREMELY, like in the NFL. (Sanchez Week1 and Sanchez Week 4-8 lol).
You seem to have no understanding of GLB, the NFL, or statistics (based on your use of the word "variable"). GLB QBs absolutely do vary "EXTREMELY" over the course of the season. Moreover, there is a huge amount of noise in both targets and especially receptions allowed that distorts any attempt to use the ratio you keep touting. Receptions allowed isn't quite as bad now as it was when hurries had such a dramatic effect on throws, but that's still a major source of distortion. Throw in drops and deflections by other defenders and that ratio quickly becomes useless. As noted, it's not a good measure even for comparing dots on the same team, much less dots on different teams in the same conference.

1. I would never compare dots on the same team, unless I use plays while they are both Cb1 going against Wr1 or sometihng similar.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics)
In mathematics, a variable is a value that may change within the scope of a given problem or set of operations.

3. Gamble is shit, no one rates him highly as a CB at all..

4. In NFL, I have seen it many times. The simple way to compare CBs is to see how they play (especially shutdown CBs) on a given receiver. Then compare with results from other CBs. I remember exactly, this is how they deemed Revis #1 cb a few years ago; because of his ability to contain the stats of the receivers opposing him.

How do they rank top defenses? No elaborate formula. Its simply YardsAllowed. Regardless of schedule, regardless if QB/RB had a poor game and other VARIABLES on a weekly basis. Its simple, team with fewest running yards allowed at the end of the season had the best Rush Defense.

Originally posted by Icy Warrior
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how he turned out. I know that I can build a better HH SS, too. I wasn't as efficient with his build as I could've been.

Yeah, definite bummer that he is going into decline.

Originally posted by jampysos
1. I would never compare dots on the same team, unless I use plays while they are both Cb1 going against Wr1 or sometihng similar.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics)
In mathematics, a variable is a value that may change within the scope of a given problem or set of operations.

3. Gamble is shit, no one rates him highly as a CB at all..

4. In NFL, I have seen it many times. The simple way to compare CBs is to see how they play (especially shutdown CBs) on a given receiver. Then compare with results from other CBs. I remember exactly, this is how they deemed Revis #1 cb a few years ago; because of his ability to contain the stats of the receivers opposing him.

How do they rank top defenses? No elaborate formula. Its simply YardsAllowed. Regardless of schedule, regardless if QB/RB had a poor game and other VARIABLES on a weekly basis. Its simple, team with fewest running yards allowed at the end of the season had the best Rush Defense.

which is why using yardage is a bad measure

amazingly teams with "low rated defenses" still make the playoffs and Super Bowl

The Lions were 3rd in total yards in 2012 - anyone who watched them knows better

They were 17th in scoring, which makes a lot more sense

Originally posted by reddogrw
which is why using yardage is a bad measure

amazingly teams with "low rated defenses" still make the playoffs and Super Bowl

The Lions were 3rd in total yards in 2012 - anyone who watched them knows better

They were 17th in scoring, which makes a lot more sense

Comparing GLB to NFL = fail.

i built 2 str cbs.....one i worked on agility earlier than the other....the one without agility got picked on.....always had the most targets and rec allowed and most tackles since he let them catch alot of balls...

AGI is like viagra....

Don't let it go for 4 hours+ w/o calling the doc.

Originally posted by Toriq
AGI is like viagra....

Don't let it go for 4 hours+ w/o calling the doc.




Sense made not

Originally posted by jampysos
Sense made not

TBH, sense doesn't make a difference to me when I'm 10++ shots to the wind. But, hell, it is what it is and "I can't help you with your trouble when you won't help with mine" - not that I have any troubles to speak of.

Gotta get down to the mine.

Originally posted by jampysos
1. I would never compare dots on the same team, unless I use plays while they are both Cb1 going against Wr1 or sometihng similar.
And yet you want to compare corners from different teams who face different gameplans and perhaps play different positions.

Originally posted by
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics) In mathematics, a variable is a value that may change within the scope of a given problem or set of operations.
I'm referring to your bizarre reference to a "common variable." That's not a designation I'm familiar with, plus you seemed to be making some weird argument that the factors canceled out somehow and became irrelevant without explaining why or how that would happen. This is what happens when people use terms they don't understand.

Originally posted by
3. Gamble is shit, no one rates him highly as a CB at all..
PFF does.

Originally posted by
4. In NFL, I have seen it many times. The simple way to compare CBs is to see how they play (especially shutdown CBs) on a given receiver. Then compare with results from other CBs. I remember exactly, this is how they deemed Revis #1 cb a few years ago; because of his ability to contain the stats of the receivers opposing him.
That's actually a stunningly bad way to evaluate corners because wide receiver production is so inconsistent. Calvin Johnson had 54 receiving yards in his first game against Minnesota, but 207 the second time they played.

Originally posted by
How do they rank top defenses? No elaborate formula. Its simply YardsAllowed. Regardless of schedule, regardless if QB/RB had a poor game and other VARIABLES on a weekly basis. Its simple, team with fewest running yards allowed at the end of the season had the best Rush Defense.
Points allowed is a much better measure than yards allowed, but all of that is irrelevant to the question of quantitative analysis of individual performance. It's very possible to do it for a group of players. What makes it so hard for individuals is separating the impact of one player from another on that unit.

Let's face it, there really is only one way to judge a CB's performance and I don't think we'll find anyone more prolific in what he does or will leave a larger legacy that this guy: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-jets-antonio-cromartie-wife-expecting-twins-total-of-12-kids-8-different-women-041712