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Originally posted by CyberNinja
Also I read somewhere that the percentage of getting first downs on 4th and 15 are the same as recovering an onside kick


I was shocked by this, but 4th and 15 is about 12.4 percent. NFL onside kick sucess is about 26 percent. unexpected rates can double that,, though, so I caould see an expected rate being about 10 percent.

Lately, more NFL players die from driving cars and having girlfriends issues.
If they couldn't afford cars and girlfriends they wouldn't be dying from cars and girlfriends issues.
Perhaps the union should sue the NFL for negligently paying so much money to irresponsible humans. But then who would keep the money...I know, the union could keep it; or better yet redistribute it to the responsible people working all the really dangerous jobs like liquor stores, gas stations, jewelry stores, cops, firefighters, convenience stores, soldiers, glb team owners, (just threw that one in to see if you were still paying attention).

Or they could all have to wear these:
http://www.aussiejumpingcastles.com.au/media/pics/site/imagecache/E/9/E9D60E384DCC60B6D33EAD480DF319FE.jpg

Originally posted by xeef

I was shocked by this, but 4th and 15 is about 12.4 percent. NFL onside kick sucess is about 26 percent. unexpected rates can double that,, though, so I caould see an expected rate being about 10 percent.



If teams tried converting on 4th and 15 more often, that percent would be much lower (in the NFL)

Ray Rice getting a 1st down on 4th and 29 recently screwed that percent up.

It would probably be 40% success rate in GLB

Teams would still punt instead of kicking off. There's still a chance of a return. It isn't like they're talking about getting rid of kickoffs and giving teams the ball on the 20 every time or something.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
I believe that the odds of completing a 4rth and 15 are similar to that of recovering an onside kick.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2108409&pbp_id=9365447
4th&10, double cover, and still complete.

Advanced Football stats has 4th&15 being converted at about a 20% clip.

Would make the last minute come from behind scenarios a bit different. On one hand the onsides kick means there's a clock stoppage and you generally get the ball back on a recovery at your own 40 to 45. This leaves you 20 yards or so to a last second FG, or in position to immediately try a hail Mary.

Under the new scenario, you'd have to get to the 45 for the first down and you lose a chunk of clock assuming you don't go out of bounds. Might mean another 15 to 25 seconds lost. On the flip side you could go for more yards on the 4th down play, and it would guarantee at least one shot of a desperation play if there are only a few seconds left. I guess that would be nice for those teams that are down 10 and waste a bunch of time to score a TD with 3 seconds left, rather than kick a FG with 35 seconds left.

Meh, Helmet technology makes a massive difference in concussions, especially the little "bell ringers" that don't knock a guy out that happen dozens of times a game. Problem is, the most popular helmets in the league are some of the most unsafe on the market.

But, KOs are the only play where you get 21 guys running full speed at each other, it makes sense that's it's dramatically more dangerous than all the other plays.

Originally posted by whoshotjr
Advanced Football stats has 4th&15 being converted at about a 20% clip.

Would make the last minute come from behind scenarios a bit different. On one hand the onsides kick means there's a clock stoppage and you generally get the ball back on a recovery at your own 40 to 45. This leaves you 20 yards or so to a last second FG, or in position to immediately try a hail Mary.

Under the new scenario, you'd have to get to the 45 for the first down and you lose a chunk of clock assuming you don't go out of bounds. Might mean another 15 to 25 seconds lost. On the flip side you could go for more yards on the 4th down play, and it would guarantee at least one shot of a desperation play if there are only a few seconds left. I guess that would be nice for those teams that are down 10 and waste a bunch of time to score a TD with 3 seconds left, rather than kick a FG with 35 seconds left.

Discussion like this is far more interesting than the braying donkeys who cry about the possibility of not watching people inflict brain damage on each other.

Everyone would opt for the 4th and 15 and NFL scores would begin to mimic those of GLB

255-185 Super Bowl score would be pretty damn entertaining.

NFL kick offs will be gone inside 2 years

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Excellent analysis.

I've seen an onside kick recovered before.

BOOM

4th and 15 is much easier for a passing offense like New England than a rushing offense like the Vikings for example

It provides an uneven playing field, while the onside kick is a much fairer, even way of deciding whether a team gets the ball back for another possession.

No one is putting a gun to their heads and making them play. Stop trying to kill the greatest game on the planet imo.

Originally posted by oaklandraider
NFL kick offs will be gone inside 2 years

shut up you

Originally posted by Dub J
No one is putting a gun to their heads and making them play. Stop trying to kill the greatest game on the planet imo.

Agreed. They know what they're getting themselves into. Football injuries shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

WHAT?!?!?!

football players get injured and have shorter lifespans? this is news to me. why hasnt any one been talking about this?