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Originally posted by whodey08
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By the way. I just ran some scenarios. Training on intense would leave the player with a 83 at the end of the first season and a 108 (plus training) cap by level 79. By intense till day 1- season 1, and then multi training, the dot ends up with 79 overall, a 104 (+ training) cap and their 2nd attribute cap by day 48. Is a total of 4 points off your max speed worth missing out on all the ALGs from your 2nd and 3rd attribute? That's for each individual to decide but as I pointed out...just because everyone in the WL is doing something doesn't make it the best way to do something. Too many that 4 points is important enough. To others its not.
Sincere congrats on the MVPs and GM positions though.
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By the way. I just ran some scenarios. Training on intense would leave the player with a 83 at the end of the first season and a 108 (plus training) cap by level 79. By intense till day 1- season 1, and then multi training, the dot ends up with 79 overall, a 104 (+ training) cap and their 2nd attribute cap by day 48. Is a total of 4 points off your max speed worth missing out on all the ALGs from your 2nd and 3rd attribute? That's for each individual to decide but as I pointed out...just because everyone in the WL is doing something doesn't make it the best way to do something. Too many that 4 points is important enough. To others its not.
Sincere congrats on the MVPs and GM positions though.
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Originally posted by kevoncox
By the way. I just ran some scenarios. Training on intense would leave the player with a 83 at the end of the first season and a 108 (plus training) cap by level 79. By intense till day 1- season 1, and then multi training, the dot ends up with 79 overall, a 104 (+ training) cap and their 2nd attribute cap by day 48. Is a total of 4 points off your max speed worth missing out on all the ALGs from your 2nd and 3rd attribute? That's for each individual to decide but as I pointed out...just because everyone in the WL is doing something doesn't make it the best way to do something. Too many that 4 points is important enough. To others its not.
Sincere congrats on the MVPs and GM positions though.
Not sure if you're doing it efficiently enough to compare. First attribute intense train until day 15-16, then multi train. My speedster ended his first season at 86 nat. speed.
By the way. I just ran some scenarios. Training on intense would leave the player with a 83 at the end of the first season and a 108 (plus training) cap by level 79. By intense till day 1- season 1, and then multi training, the dot ends up with 79 overall, a 104 (+ training) cap and their 2nd attribute cap by day 48. Is a total of 4 points off your max speed worth missing out on all the ALGs from your 2nd and 3rd attribute? That's for each individual to decide but as I pointed out...just because everyone in the WL is doing something doesn't make it the best way to do something. Too many that 4 points is important enough. To others its not.
Sincere congrats on the MVPs and GM positions though.
Not sure if you're doing it efficiently enough to compare. First attribute intense train until day 15-16, then multi train. My speedster ended his first season at 86 nat. speed.
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Are you enhancing your training in that VPB build? How many enhancements did you do for each attribute? Did you cash in any tokens for a skill point to cap sooner?
These make a huge difference in a level 79 build.
These make a huge difference in a level 79 build.
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Originally posted by whodey08
Are you enhancing your training in that VPB build? How many enhancements did you do for each attribute? Did you cash in any tokens for a skill point to cap sooner?
These make a huge difference in a level 79 build.
Yes. Not cashing in BT. I did one season. Maxed out training bonus ASAP on the intense. On the multi train build, I got speed and agility to 30% early and then agility and lastly the other 2 attributes to 20%
Are you enhancing your training in that VPB build? How many enhancements did you do for each attribute? Did you cash in any tokens for a skill point to cap sooner?
These make a huge difference in a level 79 build.
Yes. Not cashing in BT. I did one season. Maxed out training bonus ASAP on the intense. On the multi train build, I got speed and agility to 30% early and then agility and lastly the other 2 attributes to 20%
kevoncox
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Originally posted by Nokturnus
Not sure if you're doing it efficiently enough to compare. First attribute intense train until day 15-16, then multi train. My speedster ended his first season at 86 nat. speed.
I'm going to go back thru it but I built up the intense build to the max and could not get past the 83 level.
I'll keep working.
Not sure if you're doing it efficiently enough to compare. First attribute intense train until day 15-16, then multi train. My speedster ended his first season at 86 nat. speed.
I'm going to go back thru it but I built up the intense build to the max and could not get past the 83 level.
I'll keep working.
jdbolick
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The basic point is that you only have X number of times you can multi-train and still end up with 4 pieces of AEQ, and that multi-training above caps gives you much better training value than multi-training while still below the first cap.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
The basic point is that you only have X number of times you can multi-train and still end up with 4 pieces of AEQ, and that multi-training above caps gives you much better training value than multi-training while still below the first cap.
Seeing that you already know all of this....excuse but i plan to interject some real facts into this and not just speculation.
I have 2 WRs, one will go intense the other would go my way. We'll see where they end up.
The basic point is that you only have X number of times you can multi-train and still end up with 4 pieces of AEQ, and that multi-training above caps gives you much better training value than multi-training while still below the first cap.
Seeing that you already know all of this....excuse but i plan to interject some real facts into this and not just speculation.
I have 2 WRs, one will go intense the other would go my way. We'll see where they end up.
Originally posted by kevoncox
Originally posted by jdbolick
The basic point is that you only have X number of times you can multi-train and still end up with 4 pieces of AEQ, and that multi-training above caps gives you much better training value than multi-training while still below the first cap.
Seeing that you already know all of this....excuse but i plan to interject some real facts into this and not just speculation.
I have 2 WRs, one will go intense the other would go my way. We'll see where they end up.
what part is speculation? you can only multi-train so much to still get 4 AE
Multi training above the caps has more SP value
it is basic math
Originally posted by jdbolick
The basic point is that you only have X number of times you can multi-train and still end up with 4 pieces of AEQ, and that multi-training above caps gives you much better training value than multi-training while still below the first cap.
Seeing that you already know all of this....excuse but i plan to interject some real facts into this and not just speculation.
I have 2 WRs, one will go intense the other would go my way. We'll see where they end up.
what part is speculation? you can only multi-train so much to still get 4 AE
Multi training above the caps has more SP value
it is basic math
Timetoshine-Metta
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Originally posted by kevoncox
That extra 5 points is not making you burn a man corner. Its the rest of your build that will do the job.
well i mean there's a point of getting open and not getting open, have you watched enough players to say the 150 speed WR isnt getting open more than the 145?
That extra 5 points is not making you burn a man corner. Its the rest of your build that will do the job.
well i mean there's a point of getting open and not getting open, have you watched enough players to say the 150 speed WR isnt getting open more than the 145?
kevoncox
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Originally posted by reddogrw
what part is speculation? you can only multi-train so much to still get 4 AE
Multi training above the caps has more SP value
it is basic math
You are arguing my entire point. I get to Cap before intense and multi train the entire time. The only difference is that I don't train on intense for the first season as it has been suggested. He is training on intense after he has crossed the cap but you are telling me I'm wrong?
what part is speculation? you can only multi-train so much to still get 4 AE
Multi training above the caps has more SP value
it is basic math
You are arguing my entire point. I get to Cap before intense and multi train the entire time. The only difference is that I don't train on intense for the first season as it has been suggested. He is training on intense after he has crossed the cap but you are telling me I'm wrong?
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kevoncox
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Originally posted by Timetoshine-Metta
well i mean there's a point of getting open and not getting open, have you watched enough players to say the 150 speed WR isnt getting open more than the 145?
How do you know it is? See... we can all play that game.
If I end up with 145 compared to 150 speed. You are talking about a 3% increase in speed vs. a 20% increase elsewhere.
ie...The difference between my Agility, and Catching and that other builds agility and catching is much larger than 4-5 points and since they are smaller numbers... the % lost is much larger as well. 100 reduced to 80 = 20% reduction. 150 - 130 equals a 16% reduction.
well i mean there's a point of getting open and not getting open, have you watched enough players to say the 150 speed WR isnt getting open more than the 145?
How do you know it is? See... we can all play that game.
If I end up with 145 compared to 150 speed. You are talking about a 3% increase in speed vs. a 20% increase elsewhere.
ie...The difference between my Agility, and Catching and that other builds agility and catching is much larger than 4-5 points and since they are smaller numbers... the % lost is much larger as well. 100 reduced to 80 = 20% reduction. 150 - 130 equals a 16% reduction.
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Originally posted by kevoncox
You are arguing my entire point. I get to Cap before intense and multi train the entire time. The only difference is that I don't train on intense for the first season as it has been suggested.
Training on intense the first season is dumb and not what WL people do anyway, but regardless you're completely missing the point. You don't get to multi-train "the entire time," you can only do so X number of times if you plan on having 4 pieces of AEQ because at some point you'll have to switch to light or normal training to get enough bonus tokens. If you multi-train for a dot's entire career then you'll only have enough bonus tokens for 2 full pieces of AEQ.
Again, I like the fact that you have some enthusiasm for this, but we've all tried this stuff already. We know what works best and what doesn't.
You are arguing my entire point. I get to Cap before intense and multi train the entire time. The only difference is that I don't train on intense for the first season as it has been suggested.
Training on intense the first season is dumb and not what WL people do anyway, but regardless you're completely missing the point. You don't get to multi-train "the entire time," you can only do so X number of times if you plan on having 4 pieces of AEQ because at some point you'll have to switch to light or normal training to get enough bonus tokens. If you multi-train for a dot's entire career then you'll only have enough bonus tokens for 2 full pieces of AEQ.
Again, I like the fact that you have some enthusiasm for this, but we've all tried this stuff already. We know what works best and what doesn't.
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