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Originally posted by beenlurken
This will only get you a competitive hemisphere level. Pro will still suck.

no it won't the top top teams will be in WL the teams that can win pro will be in hemisphere and the pro leagues will be filled with the pro teams that could make the playoffs or almost make them but have very little of a chance to win.

Overall it could provide a much more competitive game.

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Originally posted by SG✬21
no it won't the top top teams will be in WL the teams that can win pro will be in hemisphere and the pro leagues will be filled with the pro teams that could make the playoffs or almost make them but have very little of a chance to win.

Overall it could provide a much more competitive game.



Originally posted by beenlurken
That works for one season. Then you demote 32 of those best 64 teams into Pro the following season to destroy regular Pro.

The hemisphere plan is just not a good option. The only way to do it effectively is contracting Nat Pro into 4 leagues.

Must be a reading comprehension thing...

Yep, some people are thinking that the leagues will be static.


They obviously won't be...

I've been tracking this thread for a couple days now, and I tend to agree with Dub J. I don't see much benefit in adding another league level like Hemisphere. The top teams in every National Pro league have earned a shot at competing for a world championship.

The best way to keep Pro from sucking is to demote the teams not worthy of the level they are at. This gives them time to experiment, adjust, and adapt before tackling better competition again. You can't do that as well when 3/4 of the league overpowers you. Time, effort, knowledge, and talent determine how far any one person can go as an OC or DC. Not everyone is going to be capable of keeping pace with the big boys, though more time or knowledge might cure that problem. Demotion is a way to give them the benefit of a doubt while placing them back in an environment more conducive to the learning curve.

On the same token, you don't solve the problem of "suckage" by promoting more teams (aka Hemisphere Leagues), especially in a game where demotion is a constant from season to season.

Consider this: If you add two new higher tier leagues, then more lower tier leagues will suck because more CPU teams will be needed to fill 64 spots vacated by adding new leagues at the top.

You don't improve competition by adding teams. You improve it by subtracting them. In contraction, CPU teams are the first to go. So by reducing the number of Pro leagues, you concentrate the top talent which then creates a trickle down to the lower leagues, making the whole system more competitive. Just how much? Who knows? That's dependent on the human factor. This is part of the purpose of demotion in the first place. It's how the whole league structure is set up on GLB.

If you add water to wine, it's going to taste more like grape juice rather than a fine wine.

Originally posted by evileyez
its a coordinator problem, plain and simple. ask anyone who's been in WL and they will tell you it's an eye opening experience - eventually you learn how to truly play the game. it only becomes a dot problem on those teams that continually yo-yo up and down from WL and their Pro region.

you get better at coordinating by constant practice against quality opponents where the outcomes matter. the "make the playoffs or demote" is one of the best aspects of WL. though i admit it's also cuz everyone knows what a season in Pro is like

i like the 4 Pro League setup; each conf as an old Pro league. try to replicate the win or else situation in WL with the promotion/demotion system as best as possible. ideally more cares leads to more forum activity.

however, at this point, i don't think this is the magic solution. if implemented it will take some time to see results that are good for the game. should it happen for S30 you are still going to see your network teams fighting at the top. i don't think there are enough teams to fill 4 pro leagues that make any of the network teams have to try in the regular season. the idea is, eventually, over time all those other teams get better and better at playing the game.

This. I'd like to see the National Pros contracted to 4 leagues rather than have hemispheres added.

Originally posted by merenoise
This. I'd like to see the National Pros contracted to 4 leagues rather than have hemispheres added.

I read and agreed with the same quote, but still I wanted to point out from a different angle why Hemisphere Leagues are not a good option.

+1 to contracting Nat Pro to 4 leagues

-1 to adding Hemi Leagues

All teams, one league.

Like the good old days.

Hemispheres would be the end to all Competition in anything except WL and Hemispheres

Originally posted by fuzzypoopy
Hemispheres would be the end to all Competition in anything except WL and Hemispheres

where is there competition in anything except WL right now?

Pro needs to have a make the playoffs or get demoted rule.

Not so sure only upgrading teams from Elite rPro is a good idea either. Elite 1 is usually brutal. Teams that don't make the playoffs there would be playoffs teams in any other rPro league. Some just lost on rolls of the dice for close games. Those non playoff teams are now in competitive in assorted leagues. Currently, in the GLB tourney for rPro, 6 of the final 8 were last season Elite 1 teams.

Originally posted by tet
where is there competition in anything except WL right now?

Pretty much any Elite league in the lower levels is pretty tough.

Originally posted by tet
where is there competition in anything except WL right now?

Thats what i'm saying. we need to go to 4 pro leagues. RIght now it sucks. and with hemispheres it would suck

There are a number of competitive leagues that are pretty tough as well. Pretty bad when many of the minor leagues are more competitive than most of the higher leagues just because some people want to stick around in Pro forever without ever advancing or demoting.