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bhall43
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Originally posted by 21LaDainianTomlinson

I've watched the games of multiple teams that I work with and I haven't seen it.



Originally posted by Kirghiz
Get better dots then.


*light bulb*
 
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Originally posted by 21LaDainianTomlinson
What I would like to see is QBs actually scrambling to avoid pressure, and being able to effectively throw the ball once they are outside of the pocket. Hopefully we get that in the next couple of season, or at-least see some kind of improvement.


SCRAMBLING & RUNNING ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. In this comment, I was NOT referring to specifically RUNNING QBs. Pocket Passing QB with Adequate speed and Agility should also be able to Scramble. So your comment about about there not being any rushing QBs on the team is irrelevant.
 
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lol good golly you are either terribly stupid or just trolling. I hope it is trolling.
 
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Originally posted by 21LaDainianTomlinson
SCRAMBLING & RUNNING ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. In this comment, I was NOT referring to specifically RUNNING QBs. Pocket Passing QB with Adequate speed and Agility should also be able to Scramble. So your comment about about there not being any rushing QBs on the team is irrelevant.


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Which of these QB's with sub 50 speed and sub 60 agility are were you expecting to be able to scramble?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2489028
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2501843

I will save you the time. Neither.
 
Kirghiz
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Originally posted by bhall43
Which of these QB's with sub 50 speed and sub 60 agility are were you expecting to be able to scramble?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2489028
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2501843

I will save you the time. Neither.


......and while we're at it, here are two "Rushing QB's" that have passed pretty well in their careers.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2259234
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2259246

 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Which of these QB's with sub 50 speed and sub 60 agility are were you expecting to be able to scramble?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2489028
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2501843

I will save you the time. Neither.


I wasn't expecting them to. Neither of them have enough speed or agility and I know that.


Originally posted by 21LaDainianTomlinson
Pocket Passing QB with Adequate speed and Agility should also be able to Scramble.


 
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lol then my point stands...there was absolutely no reason to point out that team.
 
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Originally posted by Kirghiz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2642089
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2642202
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2644294
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2645189
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2645864
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2645953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2646649
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2646765
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2097463&pbp_id=2646878




Thanks. That's the 1st I am seeing of QBs scrambling like that. Great QB You've built.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
lol then my point stands...there was absolutely no reason to point out that team.


You're right. I just wanted to point out the team to make myself feel good.
 
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Originally posted by Kirghiz
......and while we're at it, here are two "Rushing QB's" that have passed pretty well in their careers.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2259234
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2259246



And yes these 2 guys are solid at doing exactly what is being talked about here. Played against them a couple times last season.
 
Kirghiz
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At any rate, if you build them right, you can have a QB that can effectively evade the pass rush by moving in the pocket or getting out of the pocket, and complete throws down the field. That is NOT an issue in the game. You do have to build for that though, and 95% of QB's in this game don't, or screw up. By looking at the bars on the QB's on your semi pro team, one of your scramblers is too close to a dual threat, and doesn't have enough raw passing ability, and the other one is too much of a passer and not enough scrambler. There is a sweet spot to be hit in that build, and it is the point where you maximize the raw pass quality versus how much penalty you take for throwing on the run.

QB's running the ball on scrambles on the other hand needs some work, but again, the only ones that need that to be effective are trying to build Tim Tebow or something, and Tim Tebow isn't effective in the league he plays in either.
 
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Originally posted by 21LaDainianTomlinson
Originally posted by Dr. E

A running QB really isn't viable, just drop the idea. If the QB can't throw, a good DC will shut him down. To be able to pass effectively and deal with the pressure, there is only one build type that will work. This might be the biggest weak spot in the game.


I know a running QB isn't Viable. That's the entire point of the OP. There's QBs with Build that could be successful at both.


And even If making a running QB viable is not possible in GLB. Then something should still be done to Make SCRAMBLING Better.

Originally posted by Hagalaz



The problem:
In real American Football, scrambling isn't just running for the 1st-down marker. In GLB as it currently stands, it is. Going outside the pocket to try and both evade an incoming defender AND give time for receivers to get open is almost nonexistent in the game, and the current "scramble" settings are severely incomplete in this manner.





Originally posted by domenick2x

+1. It allows for the McNabb/Cunningham/Young types, and doesn't force them into the Vick type.





Scrambling is at it's best a chance to occur, and if you build them capable of being able to scramble, the speed/agility will cause the pass quality to be so low he can't be relied upon as a QB.

If you want to effectuate a change, it will be in how the stats work together. Going to have to convince Bort and since you don't have a direct line to him, going to have to convince Catch. That's a tough sell.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Ya this is why Rush Hour is so unsuccessful in GLB....


Link me this QB please. Better yet, send it too me in a message, too easy to miss a reply if the thread takes off.
Edited by Dr. E on Jul 1, 2012 10:45:03
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=74
 
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