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170 speed.......

Originally posted by whodey08
I agree with Hagalaz. Sorry Time Trial.

I have a level 4 HB that is already at 62.50 speed. You can't get this high of speed (or whatever your primary attribute is) by training on Normal. I have also already enhanced 3 times and I have been trained on Intense since day of creation. The tokens will accumulate fast enough. My end build will have 170 speed.
Train on Normal and tell me what your speed would be

Okay, so with all those BTs thrown down the drain to get your speed that high, and with you putting nothing into your secondary yet, how high are you going to be able to get your agility and carrying? How about your strength? How many AEQ are you going to have?

SAs are so important for HBs, how much SP are you going to have left over to put into SAs? Are you going to have enough BTs to buy any additional SAs? You are going to have a fast dot, but how often are you going to be able to actually hit max velocity? Are you going to be able to cut at all without losing all your velocity?

I think teaching noobs that style is just as bad.

Again, I'm not saying that my build is ideal, but it is easy to teach and you will end up with 4 AEQ in the end, and for most positions, you cannot rely on just having a super attribute anymore.

Time trial, I understand where you come from. I think the whole game would come up better if the newer players would get better overall builds, but at the same time, we need to make sure we don't prevent them from getting GREAT overall builds, you see?

Originally posted by aaasahi
170 speed.......

User is either including VAs or forgets that training drops to the dumb ~1% after you cross the 100.00 barrier.

You're all wrong with spending SP on day 48. Such a fail method.

You hit the cap before the 3x boost and gain 1 extra SP worth from the 2 cap, but then you don't train your primary any more.

Slow building is much better. You can gain 1 or 2 more SP than ALGs will give you by waiting til day 1-3 of the next season to blow your SP load.

Then you can either take all those BTs and start multi-training 4 abils or start intense/normal training your secondary while keep pumping SP into the primary to a 8ish cap (depending on desired build and position)

And for the math junkies out there, it is more efficient to use normal training over intense as soon as the difference margin is below 13% as each 2 BT is worth about 13% of a skill point. (Example: Intense yields 39%, Normal yields 27%, difference margin = 12%, go with normal)

Originally posted by TheShaguar
You're all wrong with spending SP on day 48. Such a fail method.

You hit the cap before the 3x boost and gain 1 extra SP worth from the 2 cap, but then you don't train your primary any more.

Slow building is much better. You can gain 1 or 2 more SP than ALGs will give you by waiting til day 1-3 of the next season to blow your SP load.

Then you can either take all those BTs and start multi-training 4 abils or start intense/normal training your secondary while keep pumping SP into the primary to a 8ish cap (depending on desired build and position)

And for the math junkies out there, it is more efficient to use normal training over intense as soon as the difference margin is below 13% as each 2 BT is worth about 13% of a skill point. (Example: Intense yields 39%, Normal yields 27%, difference margin = 12%, go with normal)

so much fail

you DO continue to train your main after 48-capping

Ok, so you keep intense training your primary?

How much does that give you per train? Did you do the math on it before spending all the SPs for that extra ALG point? I doubt it.

Originally posted by TheShaguar
Ok, so you keep intense training your primary?

How much does that give you per train? Did you do the math on it before spending all the SPs for that extra ALG point? I doubt it.

no

enhance your primary up to 3 stars as BT are available

intense train til day 48 - boost/48-cap - after rollover switch to light/normal to get more BT

enhance your next 3 attributes and open them up for multi-training

you multi-train 4 attributes (including your primary) around day 7-ish and continue this while spending SP each time you can reach the next cap til you are done spending SP into that attribute then roll it over another couple of times through training (or longer if you desire) while doing the same capping strategy to the next attribute in the list

this is a quick type up so it may not be exact, but that is the gist of it

Well, it still makes sense to wait til day 1-3 to spend your skill points. Training an attribute at 30 something will give you more than 1 skill point worth of extra gains than training it at 48.

Originally posted by TheShaguar
Well, it still makes sense to wait til day 1-3 to spend your skill points. Training an attribute at 30 something will give you more than 1 skill point worth of extra gains than training it at 48.

except if you put your initial 15 SP into that primary attribute you are over the 48-cap for when you get ALG's from your 2nd and 3rd boosts

Right. The 2nd or 3rd boost will give your primary 1 attribute point, a value of 2 skill points.

If it is under 48, you will get 1 attribute point, but only a 1 skill point value.

The days from -8 to 3 in which you will not level up to set off another ALG gain, you can train at a lower attribute value while stockpiling your SP, thus giving you higher gains per train for those 11 days.

11 days of training at 20% or more extra gain per train is more than the 1 skill point value that you lose by not 48 capping before the initial boosts

Originally posted by TheShaguar
Right. The 2nd or 3rd boost will give your primary 1 attribute point, a value of 2 skill points.

If it is under 48, you will get 1 attribute point, but only a 1 skill point value.

The days from -8 to 3 in which you will not level up to set off another ALG gain, you can train at a lower attribute value while stockpiling your SP, thus giving you higher gains per train for those 11 days.

11 days of training at 20% or more extra gain per train is more than the 1 skill point value that you lose by not 48 capping before the initial boosts

training above the cap is also worth twice as much as training below the cap

you would have to train 200% below the cap to equal the SP value of training 100% above the cap

do people generally multi train before enhancing their 2 3 4 attributes or wait for enough BT to be able to multi train enhanced ?
I do the former, but I wondered if the latter has its' benefits ?

Theshaquar, it is better to train at 48.1 than at 33. Beware, most people think that more trained per session is better, but when 100% = 2 SP (or more) it's not that simple.

Oakland, usually I start multi before I enhance the attributes (outside of the primary). One multi session means 2 10% enhances in two attributes, so it is quite quick, and lets you multi for longer. It is worth it.

Originally posted by Hagalaz

Oakland, usually I start multi before I enhance the attributes (outside of the primary). One multi session means 2 10% enhances in two attributes, so it is quite quick, and lets you multi for longer. It is worth it.

thx