Warrior General Games

Originally posted by hatchman
I doubt if a handful would use it so why even bring it back and put work into it for really no good reason....there is no draft in GLB so what is the point of it.


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Originally posted by All American Dude
Yes, and my statement still stands. There is little to no demand for trades. Once all the unscrupulous shit was put to an end trading ceased (and that was when cash was still involved).

I have no idea where you get the idea that there is a supply of players. There are still CPUs on one of my teams because I couldn't fill the roster (and I worked my ass off recruiting).

There is a supply of players because players exist.

There is an excess of players on some teams as well. Any team with a sixth CB or a decent SS on special teams etc etc, even a fourth DT or DE could consider that player a luxury that they would be willing to trade away for a needed 3rd TE or 2nd Center they could not bag in free agency. Or anyone who has a minor league team with a slate of up and comers who may feel they would risk free agency in three seasons and trade those guys away for a stud World League player today.

Trades for this stuff do not happen now because of the 20 day trade limit (which could be tossed when you make trades have a player okay clause) and because there is no system in place to tell you who might be willing to trade, and also the lack of the multi team functionality that would allow us to bring in third teams ala Baseball or to trade our minor leaguers for bigger league players also ala baseball. My idea would create a way to do all of that (not sure if I repeated it but up there somewhere I also mentioned a Free Market thing for Trade Market that would be essential).

And btw players DO trades now. They do it via the free agent ad of "Will sign this guy for your team if you sign a dot to mine". The system I am suggesting would merely give you a concrete way to arrange that sort of deal and a way to market it.

So yes, as it is now its pretty useless. But that could be improved.

Does it NEED to be improved? Eh, I dunno. I wouldnt say its huge. But it would be another way to facilitate player communications with each other. And in a social MMO like this, the more we interact the more fun everyone is having. So I think it would be a plus to the game, if they do it right.

Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Did you even read my idea? The stuff about multiple teams unbalanced trades etc?

There is a supply of players

There is a demand for players

If you make the system functional then people will use trades.

Maybe not every owner or even most.

But some would use it.

Just because it didnt work in its old format doesnt mean it couldnt work now in an entirely different one.

there isn't a supply of players look at the amount of CPU teams there are. so where are you going to get all the extra players needed to actually make a supply of players.

Yes there is a demand since there isn't enough players to fill all the leagues. thus CPU teams in all leagues except WL

even if it were functional the only reason most people would make trades is to screw someone over.

I doubt if a handful would use it so why even bring it back and put work into it for really no good reason.

Like others have said this isn't something the majority of GLB would want so why even consider bringing back something that is flawed no matter how you rearrange it. there is no draft in GLB so what is the point of it.

As I noted above, the players are your guys off the bench. The 4th situational HB you signed and could do without etc. People you would like to have but could spare if the price was right. And people who might like a less crowded bench elsewhere. And rather than trading draft picks you are trading minor leaguers. Or your own deep bench excesses.

If all the points of my concept (I should probably do a thread on it, kinda hijacking here) are implemented then there is no way anyone gets screwed because everyone has to agree for it to happen (caveat, unless the player is red flag inactive. You dont log in, you take your chances).

As for the majority or not, I seriously do not think game features have to be used by the majority of players in order to be good for the game or to make business sense. It would depend on how distruptive to the game it would be (this wouldnt be) and how difficult it would be to create in terms of Dev time and money (no idea). If its not too onerous a task then even if only one in ten users used the product that would be good enough, or one in twenty even. How many people play casual seriously? How many people are dedicated to tourney play? How many are really into the Survivor stuff? Pee Wee? I would suggest that the majority of players do not do those things (separately). But the more choices there are the more you are likely to keep enough minorities of players happy to keep your game population as a whole happy.

IMO anyway. Only Bort knows for sure.

Originally posted by yello1
There is a supply of players because players exist.

Against my better judgement I read beyond this ridiculous statement.


Originally posted by
There is an excess of players on some teams as well. Any team with a sixth CB or a decent SS on special teams etc etc, even a fourth DT or DE could consider that player a luxury that they would be willing to trade away for a needed 3rd TE or 2nd Center they could not bag in free agency. Or anyone who has a minor league team with a slate of up and comers who may feel they would risk free agency in three seasons and trade those guys away for a stud World League player today.

All my teams have a sixth CB... they're called returners and there is no way in hell I would trade them. No one in their right mind is going to trade a DT or C that is even built mediocre. They are more valuable than gold and no one is going to trade them.


Originally posted by
Trades for this stuff do not happen now because of the 20 day trade limit (which could be tossed when you make trades have a player okay clause) and because there is no system in place to tell you who might be willing to trade, and also the lack of the multi team functionality that would allow us to bring in third teams ala Baseball or to trade our minor leaguers for bigger league players also ala baseball. My idea would create a way to do all of that (not sure if I repeated it but up there somewhere I also mentioned a Free Market thing for Trade Market that would be essential).

There is no need for a system to tell you who is willing to trade because there is no one wanting to trade.

Proof http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread_list.pl?forum_id=20

Originally posted by
And btw players DO trades now. They do it via the free agent ad of "Will sign this guy for your team if you sign a dot to mine". The system I am suggesting would merely give you a concrete way to arrange that sort of deal and a way to market it.

ITP: You admitting that people already do player swaps through the FA market yet you still feel the need to waste Bort's time implementing a "system".

Originally posted by
So yes, as it is now its pretty useless. But that could be improved.

For the umpteenth time...WHY? No one cares about trading and yet you want to improve a system that no one will use.

lol you got bollicked

Originally posted by All American Dude
Originally posted by yello1

There is a supply of players because players exist.

Against my better judgement I read beyond this ridiculous statement.


Originally posted by

There is an excess of players on some teams as well. Any team with a sixth CB or a decent SS on special teams etc etc, even a fourth DT or DE could consider that player a luxury that they would be willing to trade away for a needed 3rd TE or 2nd Center they could not bag in free agency. Or anyone who has a minor league team with a slate of up and comers who may feel they would risk free agency in three seasons and trade those guys away for a stud World League player today.

All my teams have a sixth CB... they're called returners and there is no way in hell I would trade them. No one in their right mind is going to trade a DT or C that is even built mediocre. They are more valuable than gold and no one is going to trade them.


Originally posted by

Trades for this stuff do not happen now because of the 20 day trade limit (which could be tossed when you make trades have a player okay clause) and because there is no system in place to tell you who might be willing to trade, and also the lack of the multi team functionality that would allow us to bring in third teams ala Baseball or to trade our minor leaguers for bigger league players also ala baseball. My idea would create a way to do all of that (not sure if I repeated it but up there somewhere I also mentioned a Free Market thing for Trade Market that would be essential).

There is no need for a system to tell you who is willing to trade because there is no one wanting to trade.

Proof http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread_list.pl?forum_id=20

Originally posted by

And btw players DO trades now. They do it via the free agent ad of "Will sign this guy for your team if you sign a dot to mine". The system I am suggesting would merely give you a concrete way to arrange that sort of deal and a way to market it.

ITP: You admitting that people already do player swaps through the FA market yet you still feel the need to waste Bort's time implementing a "system".

Originally posted by

So yes, as it is now its pretty useless. But that could be improved.

For the umpteenth time...WHY? No one cares about trading and yet you want to improve a system that no one will use.







Its not a ridiculous statement. Supply by definition of economics rule of Supply and Demand, in which context I used the word, includes all of the existing players.

YOU may not trade them but I will flat out guarrantee you that some would. If there was a way to do it with player okay, inside the 20 day window, and there was an advertising system ala the Free Agent Market people would trade, and I dare say it would see alot of use in the off season as people sign free agents and lose people and see their needs shifting day to day.

As for your notion that no one cares about the broken system we have now why make a new system, does that really make sense??? No one uses it because its broken is not a compelling reason to not fix it and improve it. Those people not using a broken system might use a fixed and improved one.

Would I push this ahead of something more key like a manual that better explains the game, or some other more compelling item. No, no way

But I think it would be a good thing whenever it did make it into the to do list.

Originally posted by All American Dude
For the umpteenth time...WHY? No one cares about trading and yet you want to improve a system that no one will use.







no use in arguing Yello1 has the idea that a team with 55 players is a luxury. yet what he doesn't understand is to be really successful. you need those 55 players and if a team is built right everyone of those 55 players play huge roles in making the team the best it can be and those teams wouldn't trade their excess players away because it would weaken the team.

the only teams that would be trading is the ones that try to use auto offers and sign shitty dots to their teams. then they would try to sucker some dumbass into a trade to help their team and screw the other team.

again there is no way people are going to trade rookie dots for a freaking WL dot. there is no reason to continue on with this suggestion. all it is is beating a dead horse

we covered this already if there is enough players to meet the demand then why are there CPU teams at every level of the game? where are those great built players hiding that could be filling those CPU teams?

I would trade Dub and Yello to Farmville

Originally posted by hatchman
we covered this already if there is enough players to meet the demand then why are there CPU teams at every level of the game? where are those great built players hiding that could be filling those CPU teams?

No not the same issue at all.

To revive a CPU team you have to get 45 - 50 players from those benches. Doable but obviously a much greater challenge definitely. And impossible in the minor leagues as I conceded due to the number of CPUs

To wrangle someones 5th or 6th CB out of them who would be your number 3 because your secondary is a little weak, in return for your two minor leaguers is a far less difficult challenge.

And yes to those minor league teams it would be a real hit. But if they are your farm clubs, you are not going to be quite as worried about that as you are getting a decent starting roster on your big league team.

This isn't idle speculation, I positively would have tossed a 4th HB or 3rd FB from one of my Nat Pro clubs for a Center or TE in the last couple of off seasons. And I would have given more than that from my little leaguers to land one.

And maybe someone with a Nat pro team thats not contending would like to go with two TEs to get those little leaguers so he can contend a season or two from now.

Its not rocket science. People all want stuff. But they do not all want the exact same stuff at the exact same time. This is what economies are built upon. GLB is no different. If the trade system was fair to the dots agents and less restricted and more flexible, trades would definitely happen.

Originally posted by Bloodfart
I would trade Dub and Yello to Farmville

LOL

Lets just hope Bort doesnt trade GLB to Zynga in exchange for a vacation house on Diamond Beach.

Originally posted by yello1
Its not a ridiculous statement. Supply by definition of economics rule of Supply and Demand, in which context I used the word, includes all of the existing players.

Seriously? DTs, O-linemen, TEs, FBs, LBs, FS, SS are in high demand by everyone. QBs, HBs, returners (especially CB), K are a dime a dozen. I don't think you understand how supply and demand works. When everyone has the same commodity and everyone needs the same commodity there is going to be a drastic shortage of that commodity. The commodity can only meet full demand by finding a way to produce more of that commodity. If not, some will simply have to do without. Trading players doesn't produce anything. Teams that have plenty of the commodity in demand (high demand dots) are not going to let go of them. Teams that do not will have to compete with one another for the few high demand dots that are available in the offseason.

Originally posted by
YOU may not trade them but I will flat out guarrantee you that some would . If there was a way to do it with player okay, inside the 20 day window, and there was an advertising system ala the Free Agent Market people would trade, and I dare say it would see alot of use in the off season as people sign free agents and lose people and see their needs shifting day to day.

Based on what? That Trading Block forum that is overrun with activity?

Originally posted by
As for your notion that no one cares about the broken system we have now why make a new system, does that really make sense??? No one uses it because its broken is not a compelling reason to not fix it and improve it. Those people not using a broken system might use a fixed and improved one.

The only way trades would be relevant is if the demand for certain types of players was not as extreme is it is now and a draft was implemented. A draft is NGTH and is useless anyway because this is a MMO. You like to make guarantees? I will make you a guarantee that you can bet your last dollar on. The draft pool would be populated by nothing but horrible dots that no team worth a flip would want. It would just be the have-nots fighting over terrible dots. Sound familiar? It should since this is currently what we have in place. In other words, a buff to trading and a draft would not change a damn thing.



Originally posted by
But I think it would be a good thing whenever it did make it into the to do list.

Which will be never unless Bort suffers some kind of serious head trauma.

Originally posted by yello1
LOL

Lets just hope Bort doesnt trade GLB to Zynga in exchange for a vacation house on Diamond Beach.

Ignore Bloodfart. He's just a random guy who ran like hell from the Pro leagues yet has a super strong sense of false accomplishment.

can we trade yello1 for bolts?

I have actually ran into Boltz at another site. As a matter of fact, we were in the same alliance for a while. He seems to have matured a great deal. I think GLB should allow him back, tbh.