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yello1
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Originally posted by hatchman
reading your constant BS isn't fun


Then don't open the threads hatch.

Seriously, its entirely voluntary. You think I or any one opens every thread on the forums?

 
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Okay now that I have your reply associated with the right complaint (in another situation a LOLB was not maintaining distance to a man cover but opening it despite settings, another issue)...

I still do not quite see how this will help.

The LOLB here is looking to pick up the man in coverage, and instead of seeing that the HB is going into a pass route, he instead acts like the HB is blocking and moves into his zone secondary assignment.

I assume you mean aggressiveness setting in terms of pass rush. But that just determines how quick a jump the defender makes going into Blitz doesn't it? Like for a DE, whether he tries his hardest to blitz the QB or saves a bit to improve his chances of seeing a screen or sweep and moving out to the flat?

Does aggressiveness even apply to the vision check for man covering a HB????

Cool if it does but on its face, by the terms in the description, it would not seem to.

Not that this would be the first feature badly described in game. But if there is more to it than that I would love to hear how it actually works.

OR

If you mean aggressive pass coverage setting, doesnt that only matter if he is already in man coverage? Here the LOLB is not going into man, he is acting like his vision check said the HB isnt running a route and then went to his zone back up. He doesn't go back into man cover until the HB crosses the line of scrimmage. But by then its too late, the HB is wide open and able to cut to stay that way.



set him to loose coverage style. zero cushion. see what happens.

Usually see that type of behavior when another receiver gets close to the defender before the defender gets on his man. move your defenders and/or change who covers who so they don't cross.


Hmm, hes back a bit to be there for inside run back up if need be.

Worth trying I guess. Thanks.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Then don't open the threads hatch.

Seriously, its entirely voluntary. You think I or any one opens every thread on the forums?



kinda hard to do when you post so many different suggestions. I mean hell sometimes the blind squirrel finds a nut. and with your shotgun approach maybe just maybe if I skipped all of your suggestions I would miss out on you actually having a good one to help the game.
 
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Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Then don't open the threads hatch.

Seriously, its entirely voluntary. You think I or any one opens every thread on the forums?



kinda hard to do when you post so many different suggestions. I mean hell sometimes the blind squirrel finds a nut. and with your shotgun approach maybe just maybe if I skipped all of your suggestions I would miss out on you actually having a good one to help the game.


Well then it only takes a moment to peruse and decide. Of all the ideas I have posted most have garnered a plus one or three. And not from alt accounts, lol. I have no idea of knowing which ones will be which beyond the obvious gimmes, though some I think gimmes get flamed too.

But in the end, I am not posting for you guys anyway, but the slight chance a dev may see an idea and like it. And just looking at my CPU team penalty tells us that the opinion of Hatch and Company is not always the same as Bort Et Al.

 
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no Yello1 there is where you are wrong it doesn't take just a moment to peruse and decide as you say. because 9 times out of 10. you will come back and try to act like the person that gave a -1 is stupid or as you say just didn't understand your meaning. so they in turn feel it is necessary to defend themselves against your belittling. so you have drawn that person into a argument when had you just let that person be. there would have been no argument.
 
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Originally posted by hatchman
no Yello1 there is where you are wrong it doesn't take just a moment to peruse and decide as you say. because 9 times out of 10. you will come back and try to act like the person that gave a -1 is stupid or as you say just didn't understand your meaning. so they in turn feel it is necessary to defend themselves against your belittling. so you have drawn that person into a argument when had you just let that person be. there would have been no argument.


I feel the need to defend my ideas, if the point is invalid or can be dealt with by an alteration to the idea, as much as you want to defend your objection. Such is the nature of discussion.

We keep coming back to the same thing, its a forum. By nature, its built for discussions. Your offense at that is silly.

Its like going to a concert hall and asking the band to keep it down, or a dance club and to tell everyone to sit down and stop dancing.
Edited by yello1 on Jan 12, 2012 11:19:46
 
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Originally posted by yello1
I feel the need to defend my ideas, if the point is invalid or can be dealt with by an alteration to the idea, as much as you want to defend your objection. Such is the nature of discussion.

We keep coming back to the same thing, its a forum. By nature, its built for discussions. Your offense at that is silly.

Its like going to a concert hall and asking the band to keep it down, or a dance club and to tell everyone to sit down and stop dancing.


for someone that tries to act like they know something about the game. you really haven't got a clue

I do not take offense to people making suggestions. I do not take offense to your silly shit either. I do think you come across as a jackass alot. when you make a suggestion people actually try to help you and instead of you taking that help. you bash them and act as if they are stupid or less educated than you are. my problem isn't about discussing suggestions or even the amount of suggestions you make. my problem is that you are a self centered pompous jackass in your response's. and that you will talk down to so many different people even when they prove that they are right or they take the time to let you know where the problem is in your suggestion. people actually try to help you out and you go off on one of your goofy examples as usual.
 
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Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

I feel the need to defend my ideas, if the point is invalid or can be dealt with by an alteration to the idea, as much as you want to defend your objection. Such is the nature of discussion.

We keep coming back to the same thing, its a forum. By nature, its built for discussions. Your offense at that is silly.

Its like going to a concert hall and asking the band to keep it down, or a dance club and to tell everyone to sit down and stop dancing.


for someone that tries to act like they know something about the game. you really haven't got a clue

I do not take offense to people making suggestions. I do not take offense to your silly shit either. I do think you come across as a jackass alot. when you make a suggestion people actually try to help you and instead of you taking that help. you bash them and act as if they are stupid or less educated than you are. my problem isn't about discussing suggestions or even the amount of suggestions you make. my problem is that you are a self centered pompous jackass in your response's. and that you will talk down to so many different people even when they prove that they are right or they take the time to let you know where the problem is in your suggestion. people actually try to help you out and you go off on one of your goofy examples as usual.


1) Try to grok that I tend to respond in kind. If you trash me with a slur, one will most likely be coming your way back. Similarly if you trash my idea with alot of derogatory language, your illogical response will be treated with equal disrespect. So you reap what you sow here, trash me, I trash you. Monkey poo fits in the hand for a reason. Okay not really, but you know what I mean I trust.

2) Try also to understand that when I am trying to show restraint I may instead make a humorous comment which could be taken as a nasty crack if taken literally. Always dangerous on the internet, humor is hard to read. If you have ever taken a joke the wrong way, and I know you have, my apologies. I should use smiley faces more often probably.

3) I ain't perfect. Sometimes I misread someones response. Sometimes I respond to someone thinking they were the person I am in the midst of a heated flame fest when in fact they were a totally innocent person wandering into the thread and undeserving of the level of vitriole. If I notice it, my apologies come forth. If not, well sorry bout that. Nothing personal, its the internet. Refresh and walk it off.

4) All of that said if someones remark is just wrong - it either misunderstands the concept being responded to, or has an illogical basis - I will try to be polite but I see no reason not to point out the error. Thats what the discussion of ideas is all about.

5) Likewise if the logic is sound but the values supporting the position are ones I disagree with (simplicity over variety, elitism over broader market etc) then I am going to state my opposing opinion. Again thats discussion in its purest form, or forum as it were.

None of that is a reason for me to stop posting my ideas when they come to mind, and I won't, assuming I am not too busy otherwise.

If that just drives you nuts, I am sorry about that. You can't control me or my thoughts Hatch, any more than I yours. Such is life.

 
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God you are so far off it isn't even funny. you either can't read or your freaking reading comprehension is way off one way or the other I am done arguing with you. it is a waste of my time so from now on when you see a -1 from me in one of your suggestions. don't bother to try to start your stupid arguements with me.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
1)...... Similarly if you trash my idea with alot of derogatory language, your illogical response will be treated with equal disrespect.


Basically what you're saying here is that if someone doesn't like your idea, their response must be illogical.

 
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On second thought nevermind.
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Originally posted by spartan822
Originally posted by yello1

1)...... Similarly if you trash my idea with alot of derogatory language, your illogical response will be treated with equal disrespect.


Basically what you're saying here is that if someone doesn't like your idea, their response must be illogical.



Nope, I have asked mods to close threads when someones comment was both logical and an idea killer. Or in other instances when the comment was logical but raised a fixable problem, I changed the OP to reflect the needed changes.

The responses are illogical when they are illogical. Sadly that happens often.

 
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Originally posted by yello1
Hatch, you are just wrong. Stop ranting about how I shouldnt be posting and STFU already.


where did I say you shouldn't be posting? seriously show me where I said that. no my whole freaking problem with you is exactly what Spartan822 posted above your last post. you think you are always right even when others try to help show you why your suggestion isn't a good one. when your pompous ass makes a decent suggestion I +1 it and move onto other suggestions. but when I disagree with you and give one a -1 you get all bent out of shape and start acting like people are freaking stupid because they do not agree with the great and all damn knowing Yello1. I have no problem with people making suggestions I do have a problem with being a jackass when others try to discuss those suggestions or try to show you another way to get what you want from the suggestion.

basically Yello1 you need to learn how to comprehend what is written and stop thinking the freaking game revolves around you and your constant hunt for chrome and fluff. most of the suggestions you make you could fix very easily by actually working to field good teams. all the recruiting problems, all the problems of getting beaten by better built players could all be resolved if you would put more work into your teams. instead of wanting Bort and Co to fix your problems for you.
 
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Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Hatch, you are just wrong. Stop ranting about how I shouldnt be posting and STFU already.


where did I say you shouldn't be posting? seriously show me where I said that. no my whole freaking problem with you is exactly what Spartan822 posted above your last post. you think you are always right even when others try to help show you why your suggestion isn't a good one. when your pompous ass makes a decent suggestion I +1 it and move onto other suggestions. but when I disagree with you and give one a -1 you get all bent out of shape and start acting like people are freaking stupid because they do not agree with the great and all damn knowing Yello1. I have no problem with people making suggestions I do have a problem with being a jackass when others try to discuss those suggestions or try to show you another way to get what you want from the suggestion.

basically Yello1 you need to learn how to comprehend what is written and stop thinking the freaking game revolves around you and your constant hunt for chrome and fluff. most of the suggestions you make you could fix very easily by actually working to field good teams. all the recruiting problems, all the problems of getting beaten by better built players could all be resolved if you would put more work into your teams. instead of wanting Bort and Co to fix your problems for you.


Ah sorry Hatch, I tried to edit my snarky comment away before it was replied to.

My pompous ass is really tired of telling you how wrong you are. You are too pompous yourself to admit it. So its a huge waste of time, and the temptation to be rude is too high and there is really no point in just being rude to each other ad neauseum so I am going to drop it.

Suffice it to say, you are wrong. I get bent out of shape when you insult me personally just because you don't like my suggestion. When you fabricate reasons for why I post things that have utterly no relation to why I post things. And then declare my suggestions should be throttled because of the bogus reasons you made up for my posting them.

You are really a hoot Hatch. But its gotten old. At least for today. I am sure we will prattle at each other again soon. Till then, have a nice night.
 
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God Almighty Hatch...

No wonder this game cant attract Noobs... poor buggers read the "suggestion" forum and all the flaming for what is a simple suggestion and think "Stuff this"..

Dude.. get off the Flamer Kings E Penis Express...

This is a SUGGESTION forum.. hence people try to help, or suggest other methods..

But you know what.. as a casual user of this forum (due to SPAMMERS OF CRAP) I'm pretty tired of sifting through your endless "logical in my own mind" nonsense...

Why dont you make some suggestions, tough guy... try to make the game better instead of just criticizing anybody else that does...?

dont like it.. dont read it... if you press the damned reply button MAKE IT CONSTRUCTIVE TO HELP... not to re-inflate your E-Penis...

And if you want to argue.. for gods sakes man.. go get married... I'll give you my ex-wifes number.. she'll keep you busy for years....
 
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