Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jdbolick

I think you're probably correct about me overvaluing speed on CBs. I was scared my initial WL run as a DC when WRs like Jerricho Brooks were just blowing by people for long touchdowns, so I wanted corners that couldn't be beaten deep. But I'm increasingly convinced that being in a slight trailing position is actually better not only for interceptions (that part is pretty obvious), but also deflections. My knocked loose experiment isn't working to my satisfaction either, although it has made me think that strength is a bigger part of the deflection roll than previously assumed. The next CB I build will probably be a pretty boring guy with speed & agility in the low 90s with everything else in the high 70s / low 80s.

I agree with strength playing a much larger role than previously thought. On the two CBs I started this season, I plan to drop jumping some to push up strength. IIRC, they will end at something close to 150 speed, 100 agility, 84 vision, 70 jumping, 70 tackling, 70 strength, 64 stamina, 50 confidence, 8-10 SB, 10 SV, 8 FS, 8 CD, +15% PD chance, +15% MT chance, +12% AF chance. More agility, strength, and AF% than I usually like, and less jumping, vision, SB, and PD%. I'd like to get a bit more vision, but with Football Genius at 15, that's still 90 vision + 10 SV + 12% AF.

Have your hard hitters spent any time in WL? Both of mine did pretty well in pro last season. One will be on Hood, so I'll finally get a chance to see how the build does in WL this season.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I agree with strength playing a much larger role than previously thought. On the two CBs I started this season, I plan to drop jumping some to push up strength. IIRC, they will end at something close to 150 speed, 100 agility, 84 vision, 70 jumping, 70 tackling, 70 strength, 64 stamina, 50 confidence, 8-10 SB, 10 SV, 8 FS, 8 CD, +15% PD chance, +15% MT chance, +12% AF chance. More agility, strength, and AF% than I usually like, and less jumping, vision, SB, and PD%. I'd like to get a bit more vision, but with Football Genius at 15, that's still 90 vision + 10 SV + 12% AF.

Have your hard hitters spent any time in WL? Both of mine did pretty well in pro last season. One will be on Hood, so I'll finally get a chance to see how the build does in WL this season.

Basically described my builds at CB . But apparently they are built too fast for this sim. Maybe next season

Originally posted by Social Assassin
Basically described my builds at CB . But apparently they are built too fast for this sim. Maybe next season

Your low 60s/50s jumping CBs? Yeah, no. Your strength is also too low, along with vision and stamina needing a boost, and you don't have any MT% AEQ. If I were a WL owner, I wouldn't want your CBs anywhere close to my team. You might as well just make them blitzers, cause they suck as coverage CBs.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Your low 60s/50s jumping CBs? Yeah, no. Your strength is also too low, along with vision and stamina needing a boost, and you don't have any MT% AEQ. If I were a WL owner, I wouldn't want your CBs anywhere close to my team. You might as well just make them blitzers, cause they suck as coverage CBs.

lol can we talk facts?

43% completion when targeted
32% completion when targeted
28% completion when targeted

Guess which one was yours last season when you actually played builds equal to yours?

34% deflection rate
40% deflection rate
46% deflection rate

Wonder again which one is yours?

But I will give you this. You tackle just as well as my CBs with 80+ tackling. And due to my high tackling I went with avoid fake gear which you don't have.

But with DvG being changed do you really expect that 15% make tackle to keep your 60 tackling from failing?

Anyways the numbers speak for themselves. I'll keep what my guys do and you can have your 3 INTs.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I agree with strength playing a much larger role than previously thought. On the two CBs I started this season, I plan to drop jumping some to push up strength. IIRC, they will end at something close to 150 speed, 100 agility, 84 vision, 70 jumping, 70 tackling, 70 strength, 64 stamina, 50 confidence, 8-10 SB, 10 SV, 8 FS, 8 CD, +15% PD chance, +15% MT chance, +12% AF chance. More agility, strength, and AF% than I usually like, and less jumping, vision, SB, and PD%. I'd like to get a bit more vision, but with Football Genius at 15, that's still 90 vision + 10 SV + 12% AF.

Have your hard hitters spent any time in WL? Both of mine did pretty well in pro last season. One will be on Hood, so I'll finally get a chance to see how the build does in WL this season.

I'm looking to build mine more like

Attributes:
strength : 53.5
speed : 100.6 (150-155.6)
agility : 94.1 (94-99.1)
jumping : 84.1
stamina : 62.76
vision : 93.1
confidence : 50.26
tackling : 69.76

Top SA Tree: | 1 | 2 | 4(10) | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 6(7) | 8(9)

DB +21%
MT +15%

Originally posted by Social Assassin
lol can we talk facts?

43% completion when targeted
32% completion when targeted
28% completion when targeted

Guess which one was yours last season when you actually played builds equal to yours?

34% deflection rate
40% deflection rate
46% deflection rate

Wonder again which one is yours?

But I will give you this. You tackle just as well as my CBs with 80+ tackling. And due to my high tackling I went with avoid fake gear which you don't have.

But with DvG being changed do you really expect that 15% make tackle to keep your 60 tackling from failing?

Anyways the numbers speak for themselves. I'll keep what my guys do and you can have your 3 INTs.




You do understand that you were playing 3/4 on the rotation vs. mine playing #1, and yours were on a team that actually tried whereas mine did not? Of course you can just take stats out of context and try to make an argument that is next to worthless.

You're also making a lot of assumptions about DvG. All we know is that it will be nerfed somewhat. It isn't going away. And I'd much rather have 62 strength, 63 tackling, and +15% MT chance over 50 strength and 80 tackling without MT%. I also have the option of picking up +7.5% more MT chance if need be.

And since you wanted to bring in stats, I love your CBs' stats in this game:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1882847

60% completion when targeted, 1 missed tackle on one CB, and 3 missed tackles on the other. Way to show up to play.

In contrast, my CB had a 42% completion allowed ration and 0 missed tackles in his playoff game.

Try bringing it when it matters.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
I'm looking to build mine more like

Attributes:
strength : 53.5
speed : 100.6 (150-155.6)
agility : 94.1 (94-99.1)
jumping : 84.1
stamina : 62.76
vision : 93.1
confidence : 50.26
tackling : 69.76

Top SA Tree: | 1 | 2 | 4(10) | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 6(7) | 8(9)

DB +21%
MT +15%

This is fairly similar to what my CBs who are currently level 32 will look like when they hit plateau, though mine will have higher SAs with vision and agility around 90. With the changes coming next season and the information I have from my hard hitters that strength plays a pretty big role in pass defense (along with breaking blocks), I decided to go ahead and try sacrificing jumping and SB for more strength and agility.

You pick one game and I pick a whole season. Lawl.

Again we'll see how you do in this season but this rate my player post feels more like a death rattle then a 'World League Dot'

But 142-143 speed is still horrible no matter how you spin it. You can't make plays if you get faked and can't keep up. I have the feeling we'll be seeing alot of replays with your CB involved. Not in a good way.

Originally posted by Social Assassin
You pick one game and I pick a whole season. Lawl.

Again we'll see how you do in this season but this rate my player post feels more like a death rattle then a 'World League Dot'

But 142-143 speed is still horrible no matter how you spin it. You can't make plays if you get faked and can't keep up. I have the feeling we'll be seeing alot of replays with your CB involved. Not in a good way.



lolu. I picked the games that matter. Does your team actually try in the regular season? If so, that's sad.

As for your criticism of his speed, you obviously don't actually pay attention to this game. Dots at that speed aren't getting blow by when facing faster receivers. Separation is created by fakes and cuts. This is where BH comes in. The huge boost allows the CB to make up the ground lost when he fails a cut or fake. Having 10 more speed won't allow a CB who gets faked or cut to make up that separation without BH. He might end up a little closer, but not by much. And once there, the CB still has to make the play on the ball. A sub 60 jumping/strength CB will not be making those plays often.

Btw, have fun in pros. I'll have fun with 4/5 of my CBs playing in WL.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
lolu. I picked the games that matter. Does your team actually try in the regular season? If so, that's sad.

As for your criticism of his speed, you obviously don't actually pay attention to this game. Dots at that speed aren't getting blow by when facing faster receivers. Separation is created by fakes and cuts. This is where BH comes in. The huge boost allows the CB to make up the ground lost when he fails a cut or fake. Having 10 more speed won't allow a CB who gets faked or cut to make up that separation without BH. He might end up a little closer, but not by much. And once there, the CB still has to make the play on the ball. A sub 60 jumping/strength CB will not be making those plays often.

Btw, have fun in pros. I'll have fun with 4/5 of my CBs playing in WL.

Next thing we'll hear is how much more competitive your league was. You believe some of this don't you?

Having 10-15 more speed right now does not have as much of an affect. But with the changes coming ? I believe it's better to be in my situation then yours. Right now I got fake gear....you don't. Slower and get faked and your mistakes becomes a TD. With mine if my players make a mistake there is a higher chance they can at least stop the homerun play for a TD. Yours is a TD waiting to happen. One shot and gone. Hope someone is backing you up.

And yes i'm in Pros with the Royals. It's called royalty. Take a timeout before you say something even more dumb then what you posted above.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
I'm looking to build mine more like

Attributes:
strength : 53.5
speed : 100.6 (150-155.6)
agility : 94.1 (94-99.1)
jumping : 84.1
stamina : 62.76
vision : 93.1
confidence : 50.26
tackling : 69.76

Top SA Tree: | 1 | 2 | 4(10) | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 6(7) | 8(9)

DB +21%
MT +15%

Not enough strength and tackling for my taste. I think vision and jumping are slightly overrated tho myself.

I would go similar numbers on everything else. But would rather see in those 4 attributes

Vision 80-85
Tackling 80
Strength 68
Jumping 69

I think you can get all those to the high 70s / low 80s.

Originally posted by bhall43
Not enough strength and tackling for my taste. I think vision and jumping are slightly overrated tho myself.

I would go similar numbers on everything else. But would rather see in those 4 attributes

Vision 80-85
Tackling 80
Strength 68
Jumping 69

Agree.

Originally posted by Social Assassin
Next thing we'll hear is how much more competitive your league was. You believe some of this don't you?

Having 10-15 more speed right now does not have as much of an affect. But with the changes coming ? I believe it's better to be in my situation then yours. Right now I got fake gear....you don't. Slower and get faked and your mistakes becomes a TD. With mine if my players make a mistake there is a higher chance they can at least stop the homerun play for a TD. Yours is a TD waiting to happen. One shot and gone. Hope someone is backing you up.

And yes i'm in Pros with the Royals. It's called royalty. Take a timeout before you say something even more dumb then what you posted above.

Good grief, you don't know this game at all. Your 10-15 more speed will not be a huge help if he falls for a fake or fails a cut. You will be trying to catch a faster WR from behind. As for avoid fake, that would be really easy to pick up if I need it. At 90+ vision and 10 SV, I might not. That's something I can wait on to make a decision.

On the other hand, your CBs have shitty jumping and strength along with no MT%. So even if they don't get beat on a fake, they will have a much lower chance of making a play on the ball, making tackles, and breaking blocks.

Originally posted by jdbolick
I think you can get all those to the high 70s / low 80s.

Probably so if you go lower SAs like Rage did.