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Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Just completely removing SAs from Pee Wee would eliminate a good amount of the problems we face...Pump Fake is way overpowered at this level and defensive INT's have been killer this season. Why not just go back to how it used to be where no one ever put points into SAs?

+1...good idea!

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Just completely removing SAs from Pee Wee would eliminate a good amount of the problems we face...Pump Fake is way overpowered at this level and defensive INT's have been killer this season. Why not just go back to how it used to be where no one ever put points into SAs?

That's untrue. We started putting points in SAs way back in season 8 when everyone said that was dumb. Anyone who rode the bus back then can vouch for that. Season 9 all players had 3 in SAs and a lot of players had 4 to 5 on the very end of the SA Tree. It always made a difference, but back then it wouldn't say when it fired like it does now.

If you do put 12 in pump fake, your hurting your builds in other areas.

Originally posted by LordEvil
That's untrue. We started putting points in SAs way back in season 8 when everyone said that was dumb. Anyone who rode the bus back then can vouch for that. Season 9 all players had 3 in SAs and a lot of players had 4 to 5 on the very end of the SA Tree. It always made a difference, but back then it wouldn't say when it fired like it does now.

If you do put 12 in pump fake, your hurting your builds in other areas.

So putting your facts aside...You don't think that SAs are overpowered at this level? That was really the point of the post, not really so much to argue as to who is right about if teams put points into SAs long ago.

12 was kind of an exaggeration number but even 8 would still give you the same results of the defense looking terrible when they get pump faked over and over with 1st capped vision and points into Superior Vision.

...and you can't possibly argue that SAs meant anything then compared to what they do now. Why should games be decided by Pump Fakes or Pick 6s?

How do SAs have anything to do with INTs? At least pump fake will counter any INT at some point. Now you double a player and the defense is running the other way for a score. I think it evens the playing field some. Defenses has always been over powered except for the I slam era.

Answer , no I don't think they are over powered.

Suggestion thread posted... http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4802410

+1 for support

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
So putting your facts aside...You don't think that SAs are overpowered at this level? That was really the point of the post, not really so much to argue as to who is right about if teams put points into SAs long ago.

12 was kind of an exaggeration number but even 8 would still give you the same results of the defense looking terrible when they get pump faked over and over with 1st capped vision and points into Superior Vision.

I GUARANTEE several teams have QB's with 12+ in Pump Fake..

Originally posted by LordEvil
How do SAs have anything to do with INTs? At least pump fake will counter any INT at some point. Now you double a player and the defense is running the other way for a score. I think it evens the playing field some. Defenses has always been over powered except for the I slam era.

Answer , no I don't think they are over powered.

So...That is why this is happening? From what I see the "Overpowered" defenses are getting torched and guess why
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1882033
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10044364
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10046202
-Those two are ONLY Tds scored not accounting all the other gains from Pump fakes during this game

Here is another from a lolgame today
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1881626&pbp_id=10043973

I only checked two games I am sure there are many more from other games today and this is with dots at level 15.

Originally posted by DirtyMike
I GUARANTEE several teams have QB's with 12+ in Pump Fake..

Honestly I wouldn't doubt it

Nothing against you LE but if you guys would have lost today on 3 Pump Fake tds where the WR gets wide open because of the pump fake you would be all for the idea of ridding of them or completely rendering them useless at this level. (Which would probably be the more logical choice)

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
So...That is why this is happening? From what I see the "Overpowered" defenses are getting torched and guess why
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1882033
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10044364
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10046202
-Those two are ONLY Tds scored not accounting all the other gains from Pump fakes during this game

Here is another from a lolgame today
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1881626&pbp_id=10043973

I only checked two games I am sure there are many more from other games today and this is with dots at level 15.

PNM has 50-53 in vision on every CB, FS, SS, LB (just for reference)

My magic 8 ball says PF = 12

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2528160

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
So...That is why this is happening? From what I see the "Overpowered" defenses are getting torched and guess why
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1882033
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10044364
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1882033&pbp_id=10046202
-Those two are ONLY Tds scored not accounting all the other gains from Pump fakes during this game

Here is another from a lolgame today
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1881626&pbp_id=10043973

I only checked two games I am sure there are many more from other games today and this is with dots at level 15.

IMO the coverage was too tight. One pump fake and the player is off to the races. For the last on that was just a poor defensive play. Most teams use a zone on the outside to help cover the HB and play the HB with the SS. That usually means by the time the progression is there the play will be going the other way for 6.

BTW- We don't have anywhere close to 12 in Pump fake
We had 3 plays of pump fake vs Maine, one was a 4 yard FB pass and 2 others were a non factor
Maine knows how to stop it, if only they shared their findings