This league is horrible. I find it hard to believe that APL is that much worse.Indy scraped together whatever we had in our network after sending our best player up to our WL teams. We haven't planned and our AI isn't even right yet. To make it worse, our #5 team of mainly 61s got sent to OPL. Lost the first game as several guys weren't on depth and set up right, but somehow is going to make the playoffs and is in 5th place. That team should be in Nat. Pro--or so I thought. It does have solid builds and by end of ssn will be much improved...but still.
Originally posted by The Big Cack Envy
simply put, I get teams into the playoffs and occasionally find an exploit or some other fool trick that gets them hardware.
Moai will be there next season. Back to playoff form.
If i dont get fired
Sounds good, but I mean do you want me to send you a GM offer? What "powers" were you looking for, etc?
simply put, I get teams into the playoffs and occasionally find an exploit or some other fool trick that gets them hardware.
Moai will be there next season. Back to playoff form.
If i dont get fired
Sounds good, but I mean do you want me to send you a GM offer? What "powers" were you looking for, etc?
Originally posted by beenlurken
lolcherrypicked
You still cant see the big picture... that your team hasnt been relevant in 6, well 7 now, seasons. I am not even going to get into how you entered OPL when it was in the worst shape it has ever been again cause that is obviously way out of your realm of understanding.
Again it is ridiculous easy to reach Nat Pro... hell the real challenge of regional pro is to keep your team from promoting. There is no disputing this. It has been ridiculously easy at least since they did away with AAA (though it was still really easy the last few seasons of AAA) and converted to the regional pro cloud.
That said, apparently you have not listened to one discussion involving the "hemisphere" idea. All you hear is contracting Nat Pro which to you means that your team, the one that does not provide a challenge for the real competition in OPL, is forced back into Reg Pro to face teams more on your playing field and you are no longer a "Pro" team. You completely ignore the other option of creating a buffer league between Nat Pro and WL to so that those, like yourself, who are in need of the self-esteem boost that you have reached "Pro" can be satisfied. Its not as good as just contracting Nat Pro but it is an option. Also, if they were to contract the Nat Pro, as they should do, it has been proposed that they demote more than just the bottom two from each conference (ie. demoting/promoting 4-6 from each conference). This makes it harder for border-line teams to stay in Nat Pro but it gives more teams an opportunity at Nat Pro despite halving the size of Nat Pro. This means teams like OTM wouldnt waste the leagues time for 7+ seasons but instead maybe 3-4 seasons out of 7... maybe just maybe it forces them to find ways to improve so that they might stick. It is just not healthy for a league when a CPU team like AGT's can sit in OPL for an extended amount of time. That is a problem and you are more delusional than I ever imagined if you disagree with that.
You still don't get it and thats not surprising.
I have read the hemisphere idea. Its okay. I prefer my concept.
But the problem is STILL money. If you think people will sit around and play money to have zero realistic shot of being in the top tiers of competition (Nat Pro with shot at WL) you are kidding yourself. Winning isn't everything, true. But trying to win is. If after a short while you see no realistic shot of being there, you quit. This is why the 100-0 games is bad, because it makes people turn the switch off and say good bye. Being in Reg Pro and still TWO steps away from the top tier and having that hurdle be so high that you can not make it unless you are in a good network that can provide a full roster of quality boosters or staffing your own team AND you get really good GMing etc, is going to make people quit as well. Thats just the way it is. Not everyone has that set up. MOST players do not (with 100 players a season for 22 seasons I have seen ALOT of teams, trust me on this one). And hate their lowly azzes as your arrogant nerd self might, they are all necessary for Bort to keep this game running.
You may think you know this game, and as to the Xs and Os you may, though you seem to just be a ST Depth chart guy. But you do not know dick about the playerbase. If you constrict the top too small, and grip the gates too tightly, the game dies. Period.
If you can find a system that makes more balanced play without doing that, more power to you and it. Thats what I have been proposing constantly in the forums. I want it too.
But World League Light is not that answer.
lolcherrypicked
You still cant see the big picture... that your team hasnt been relevant in 6, well 7 now, seasons. I am not even going to get into how you entered OPL when it was in the worst shape it has ever been again cause that is obviously way out of your realm of understanding.Again it is ridiculous easy to reach Nat Pro... hell the real challenge of regional pro is to keep your team from promoting. There is no disputing this. It has been ridiculously easy at least since they did away with AAA (though it was still really easy the last few seasons of AAA) and converted to the regional pro cloud.
That said, apparently you have not listened to one discussion involving the "hemisphere" idea. All you hear is contracting Nat Pro which to you means that your team, the one that does not provide a challenge for the real competition in OPL, is forced back into Reg Pro to face teams more on your playing field and you are no longer a "Pro" team. You completely ignore the other option of creating a buffer league between Nat Pro and WL to so that those, like yourself, who are in need of the self-esteem boost that you have reached "Pro" can be satisfied. Its not as good as just contracting Nat Pro but it is an option. Also, if they were to contract the Nat Pro, as they should do, it has been proposed that they demote more than just the bottom two from each conference (ie. demoting/promoting 4-6 from each conference). This makes it harder for border-line teams to stay in Nat Pro but it gives more teams an opportunity at Nat Pro despite halving the size of Nat Pro. This means teams like OTM wouldnt waste the leagues time for 7+ seasons but instead maybe 3-4 seasons out of 7... maybe just maybe it forces them to find ways to improve so that they might stick. It is just not healthy for a league when a CPU team like AGT's can sit in OPL for an extended amount of time. That is a problem and you are more delusional than I ever imagined if you disagree with that.
You still don't get it and thats not surprising.
I have read the hemisphere idea. Its okay. I prefer my concept.
But the problem is STILL money. If you think people will sit around and play money to have zero realistic shot of being in the top tiers of competition (Nat Pro with shot at WL) you are kidding yourself. Winning isn't everything, true. But trying to win is. If after a short while you see no realistic shot of being there, you quit. This is why the 100-0 games is bad, because it makes people turn the switch off and say good bye. Being in Reg Pro and still TWO steps away from the top tier and having that hurdle be so high that you can not make it unless you are in a good network that can provide a full roster of quality boosters or staffing your own team AND you get really good GMing etc, is going to make people quit as well. Thats just the way it is. Not everyone has that set up. MOST players do not (with 100 players a season for 22 seasons I have seen ALOT of teams, trust me on this one). And hate their lowly azzes as your arrogant nerd self might, they are all necessary for Bort to keep this game running.
You may think you know this game, and as to the Xs and Os you may, though you seem to just be a ST Depth chart guy. But you do not know dick about the playerbase. If you constrict the top too small, and grip the gates too tightly, the game dies. Period.
If you can find a system that makes more balanced play without doing that, more power to you and it. Thats what I have been proposing constantly in the forums. I want it too.
But World League Light is not that answer.
Edited by yello1 on Sep 27, 2011 11:25:35
Originally posted by refguru
This league is horrible. I find it hard to believe that APL is that much worse.Indy scraped together whatever we had in our network after sending our best player up to our WL teams. We haven't planned and our AI isn't even right yet. To make it worse, our #5 team of mainly 61s got sent to OPL. Lost the first game as several guys weren't on depth and set up right, but somehow is going to make the playoffs and is in 5th place. That team should be in Nat. Pro--or so I thought. It does have solid builds and by end of ssn will be much improved...but still.
Darn and I thought I did good beating them, lol.
This league is horrible. I find it hard to believe that APL is that much worse.Indy scraped together whatever we had in our network after sending our best player up to our WL teams. We haven't planned and our AI isn't even right yet. To make it worse, our #5 team of mainly 61s got sent to OPL. Lost the first game as several guys weren't on depth and set up right, but somehow is going to make the playoffs and is in 5th place. That team should be in Nat. Pro--or so I thought. It does have solid builds and by end of ssn will be much improved...but still.
Darn and I thought I did good beating them, lol.
Originally posted by StudMuffin
I team swapped into opl after puttiing the team together a season before....second season here.....i can say that OPL needs half of these shit teams to gut. That or take a page from my teams book and actually gameplan. Hadn't gameplanned in 10 seasons and had no problem beat OTM last season. If you want yello let me help you. Give me forum access and let me see builds. Ill be honest with you about what needs to change. Pm me if ur interested in some help.
I didn't game plan either. Thats whats frustrating. So much time building these guys (and money) and then can't get the time to do anything with it. Maybe manage to prep for one or two situations, but thats it. Sometimes it wouldnt matter. But other times you see the guy is taggable as heck and can be crushed - on D anyway - and just can't get it done.
Anyway yes, that would be cool. I know these builds stink, alot of them anyway. But just exactly how will help me make better S31 guys. Thanks.
I team swapped into opl after puttiing the team together a season before....second season here.....i can say that OPL needs half of these shit teams to gut. That or take a page from my teams book and actually gameplan. Hadn't gameplanned in 10 seasons and had no problem beat OTM last season. If you want yello let me help you. Give me forum access and let me see builds. Ill be honest with you about what needs to change. Pm me if ur interested in some help.
I didn't game plan either. Thats whats frustrating. So much time building these guys (and money) and then can't get the time to do anything with it. Maybe manage to prep for one or two situations, but thats it. Sometimes it wouldnt matter. But other times you see the guy is taggable as heck and can be crushed - on D anyway - and just can't get it done.
Anyway yes, that would be cool. I know these builds stink, alot of them anyway. But just exactly how will help me make better S31 guys. Thanks.
Originally posted by yello1
I didn't game plan either. Thats whats frustrating. So much time building these guys (and money) and then can't get the time to do anything with it. Maybe manage to prep for one or two situations, but thats it. Sometimes it wouldnt matter. But other times you see the guy is taggable as heck and can be crushed - on D anyway - and just can't get it done.
Anyway yes, that would be cool. I know these builds stink, alot of them anyway. But just exactly how will help me make better S31 guys. Thanks.
This game was even worse. I game planned some, not alot but for one situation at least.
But I had turned the Defense off. You dont want a half baked one going into the game sometimes. Was going to turn it back on when done or as done as I could be.
Then I got stuck in a major traffic snarl up on the way home, got in at 6:10 or so, and THEN find out the power is out!!!
So the defense I had tossed in there from last season was the game plan for the night. Sadly it was not a generic one like I was thinking but a specialty one against Kingston, so alot of really bad sets resulted.
Got lucky though, squeaked it out. But I was fuming all the way to work today. Coulda knocked me over with a feather when we won.
Must be an easier way to scout and game plan. No way anyone has enough time for this the way I am doing it.
I didn't game plan either. Thats whats frustrating. So much time building these guys (and money) and then can't get the time to do anything with it. Maybe manage to prep for one or two situations, but thats it. Sometimes it wouldnt matter. But other times you see the guy is taggable as heck and can be crushed - on D anyway - and just can't get it done.
Anyway yes, that would be cool. I know these builds stink, alot of them anyway. But just exactly how will help me make better S31 guys. Thanks.
This game was even worse. I game planned some, not alot but for one situation at least.
But I had turned the Defense off. You dont want a half baked one going into the game sometimes. Was going to turn it back on when done or as done as I could be.
Then I got stuck in a major traffic snarl up on the way home, got in at 6:10 or so, and THEN find out the power is out!!!
So the defense I had tossed in there from last season was the game plan for the night. Sadly it was not a generic one like I was thinking but a specialty one against Kingston, so alot of really bad sets resulted.
Got lucky though, squeaked it out. But I was fuming all the way to work today. Coulda knocked me over with a feather when we won.
Must be an easier way to scout and game plan. No way anyone has enough time for this the way I am doing it.
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