I broke 2 tackles last game. leveled up and dumped all 5 into strength.
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Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
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Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
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I'm doing one of these also. I've got 30+ in strength and carrying with high vision and agility.
Recently I reconfigured my equipment to get a higher carrying and have been breaking at least one tackle when I get the ball. Only downside is he's 4th on the depth chart so I'm not getting a lot of shots but it is working.
Recently I reconfigured my equipment to get a higher carrying and have been breaking at least one tackle when I get the ball. Only downside is he's 4th on the depth chart so I'm not getting a lot of shots but it is working.
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Originally posted by Alex44
Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
"This skill is very important to receivers who are otherwise not very fast or agile"
Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
"This skill is very important to receivers who are otherwise not very fast or agile"
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Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
"This skill is very important to receivers who are otherwise not very fast or agile"
It's said that the bonus from route running is more than +1 to speed/agility when it works , that's why it has a bigger effect for a 30/30 receiver than for a 60/60 guy .
Therefore the description , route running does NOT give you a % boost to speed/agility .
Originally posted by Alex44
Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Alex44
I'm kind of doing the opposite experiment. Going all out into speed/agility/first step/route running with my low level WR just to see what happens.
How much does route running really help speed WR's? It says it helps players with low speed/agi.
It says it's important especially in those receivers. I'd assume it would do even more for those with good agility and such. If your routes are already good then it will just make them better. If they are bad it will make them decent.
Anyway that's why I'm doing that little experiment. To find out.
"This skill is very important to receivers who are otherwise not very fast or agile"
It's said that the bonus from route running is more than +1 to speed/agility when it works , that's why it has a bigger effect for a 30/30 receiver than for a 60/60 guy .
Therefore the description , route running does NOT give you a % boost to speed/agility .
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Yeah, I'm assuming the effect is much more noticeable for 30/30 guys than 60/60 guys.
That's really the only SA I'm probably going to pump. Maybe some jump catch. Not quite sure yet.
That's really the only SA I'm probably going to pump. Maybe some jump catch. Not quite sure yet.
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Well I would also advise you to pump a little in the first 2 SAs in the Speedster tree , seems pretty good .
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How are the stregth builds coming along? I have 15 SP to spend and am thinking about pumping all of it into strength. Here's what I would look like afterwards:
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Good idea or not??
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Good idea or not??
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According to all the guides I have read on WR none of them consider strength to be very important to any kind of WR build. My first WR I built to 28 strength figuring that he would break tackles - I haven't seen that happening in his 4 seasons. He is usually much stronger than the CB he faces, and very few CB have extremely high tackling, they all want to outrun you.
You will definitely need catching to be a possession WR, as you have to catch it to possess it! And you will need more stamina to stay in the game, especially if you want to be a #1 WR and get most of the plays, at least 20
You will definitely need catching to be a possession WR, as you have to catch it to possess it! And you will need more stamina to stay in the game, especially if you want to be a #1 WR and get most of the plays, at least 20
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Originally posted by unbeleve
So i guess it's a bad idea
He's on a run heavy team right now, but he's got an 85 yard punt return.
He blows up LB's/CB's in the run game.
So i guess it's a bad idea
He's on a run heavy team right now, but he's got an 85 yard punt return.
He blows up LB's/CB's in the run game.
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I'm going to train strength for right now since I get around .40 a day. Once that slows i'll put some SP into it. I want to get it around ** for now.
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Originally posted by unbeleve
So i guess it's a bad idea
Honestly when people are THIS quiet after talking about a build for 30 posts, sometimes its because its doing OK and they dont want their top secret super awesome tech to leak out to the public. I have 15 or so strength at lvl 8, and I regularly break tackles on kick and punt returns. Not so much on receptions, but my number of receptions is too low to be a decent sample size. It DOES sometimes seem that a tackle after a catch when the defender is right there is handled differently, mechanics wise and what sort of skills are checked, than a tackle when youre already mobile and running. again, sample size, but, having your current speed be a factor in breaking a tackle does seem at least plausible, and having that speed be a 0 certainly seems like it would effect your ability to break out.
So i guess it's a bad idea
Honestly when people are THIS quiet after talking about a build for 30 posts, sometimes its because its doing OK and they dont want their top secret super awesome tech to leak out to the public. I have 15 or so strength at lvl 8, and I regularly break tackles on kick and punt returns. Not so much on receptions, but my number of receptions is too low to be a decent sample size. It DOES sometimes seem that a tackle after a catch when the defender is right there is handled differently, mechanics wise and what sort of skills are checked, than a tackle when youre already mobile and running. again, sample size, but, having your current speed be a factor in breaking a tackle does seem at least plausible, and having that speed be a 0 certainly seems like it would effect your ability to break out.
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Originally posted by knudlen
Originally posted by unbeleve
So i guess it's a bad idea
Honestly when people are THIS quiet after talking about a build for 30 posts, sometimes its because its doing OK and they dont want their top secret super awesome tech to leak out to the public. I have 15 or so strength at lvl 8, and I regularly break tackles on kick and punt returns. Not so much on receptions, but my number of receptions is too low to be a decent sample size. It DOES sometimes seem that a tackle after a catch when the defender is right there is handled differently, mechanics wise and what sort of skills are checked, than a tackle when youre already mobile and running. again, sample size, but, having your current speed be a factor in breaking a tackle does seem at least plausible, and having that speed be a 0 certainly seems like it would effect your ability to break out.
+1
If it's bad, people keep talking about it...
Originally posted by unbeleve
So i guess it's a bad idea
Honestly when people are THIS quiet after talking about a build for 30 posts, sometimes its because its doing OK and they dont want their top secret super awesome tech to leak out to the public. I have 15 or so strength at lvl 8, and I regularly break tackles on kick and punt returns. Not so much on receptions, but my number of receptions is too low to be a decent sample size. It DOES sometimes seem that a tackle after a catch when the defender is right there is handled differently, mechanics wise and what sort of skills are checked, than a tackle when youre already mobile and running. again, sample size, but, having your current speed be a factor in breaking a tackle does seem at least plausible, and having that speed be a 0 certainly seems like it would effect your ability to break out.
+1
If it's bad, people keep talking about it...
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